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2009-06-03 00:57:53
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About the Elftown ads


As seen on <URL:donate.html>, Elftown is run on hardware bought from donations from its users, so why are there ads?

The thing is that Elftown's server ([Elftron]) is quite hungry for both electricity and bandwidth. And since it became too much trouble to have it at Linköping University with power-failures, restrictions on what to do with the server and that it's located far from where anyone can fix the hardware problems (and locked in during weekends for anyone who cares), someone else than the university has to pay for it.

So because the donations are meant for buying new hardware, it feels wrong to use them keeping Elftown running.

So therefore there are ads at the following places:

1) When you log out from Elftown on top of your house. If Google does its job well, the ads should be accourding to what you've written in your presentation, but so far Google seems to do a bad job at it.

2) To the right of wiki-pages unless you're logged in. Logged in Elftowners who help producing the wiki-pages don't get any ads.

3) At the bottom of the different news-pages (<URI:news.html>, <URI:poems.html>, <URI:featured_member.html>, <URI:featured_wiki-pages.html> and <URI:drawings.html>). At least at the drawing and poem pages, the ads seem to be close to the subject so someone might actually enjoy the ads.

I thought of having ads on the entrance page, but as that page is an advertisement for Elftown, it seems like a bad idea. It's better with a new Elftowner than a click on an ad.

About clicking on the ads
For the Google ads, Elftown gets income for every time someone clicks on them. What ads that are served depends on the content on the page their are shown on and what you click on. If you avoid clicking on your favourite shop's ads, then they have to pay much more for every click to be seen, and if you click a lot on some ad, that advertiser gets the clicks cheaper.

The Project Wonderful and the other ads on the bottom of pages are not paid per click at all, but per impression.

The links in the Elftown Mall (<URL:mall.html>) don't give Elftown a shit unless you buy something following those links.

What do you think?
About the Google Ads (logout and news-pages): Unknown poll 2986 error!
About the Project Wonderful ads (Right bottom and Mainstreet): Unknown poll 2987 error!
The MyStarship.com ads (bottom): Unknown poll 2988 error!
The big ugly ad at the bottom (Might not always be seen): Unknown poll 2989 error!
The Elftown Mall (<URL:mall.html>): Unknown poll 2990 error!


Update 2009-01-17

I'm trying out some new ads now. The Elftown Mall (<URL:mall.html>) hasn't sold one single item yet and both [Hedda], Lilo and [Elftron] need food and shelter.

There is some word-ads from Kontera that appear on exported wiki-pages. They give very little money per click, but I personally don't think they are in the way, but I've heard other opinions, but not from Elftowners.

There is a huge totally annoying ad that pops up when you move to the top-links (after 3 seconds after the pages is loaded) now. I'm not sure if it will be irritating and I'll test it out myself now. (Update That is removed now)

Another ad...

Now there is a link at the bottom of the pages from http://mystarship.com/
These ads basically gives Elftown's ad (Right now looking like http://www.elftown.com/elftown_468x60.gif) the exposure on other sites. The more that is is viewed and clicked on, the more Elftown's ad is shown on other sites. I'll try it for a while at least. All these ads should point to science fiction sites, so they should at least be remotely interesting.

As for the Chitica and Kontera ads, I think I'll be removing them. There are some other ads that needs removal too, because they don't give anything.


Even more ad test... (2009-01-19)

Sorry about this, but I have to try out some ads. There is a big one at the bottom of pages now. I think I'll switch between that and the Project Wonderful ads (and remove the MyStarship ad), but not have both at the same time. Update: ADSDAQ said that Elftown is a filthy piece of shit and that they want nothing to do with it. Maybe because they fucking morons that don't like the language we use here. So no ads from there, which I guess is just as well as their ads tend to be annoying. Eh... Wait, it says: "Domain is primarily a social networking application" as one of the possible reasons. I bloody selected that as a type of site and then it isn't OK. Grrr! Wasting my time.

More stuff (2009-01-20)

There are also AdEngage ads at the bottom now. It isn't more ads, but it's replacing the left Wonderful Project and MyStarship ads a little. So now you get three kind of ads on that place. Should make it more interesting than seeing the same ad/kind of ads all the time.

I got a really good deal here, and I really hope you like it and want to take a few minutes to try it out at least: Unknown poll 3087 error!
(Seems like no one likes it. I honestly can say I blame you. There are no shortage of free really good games to play (See some other ads here.).)

Message ads

(2008-02-19) There are now an ad in your messages. Seems like the Elftowners spend a huge part of their time (about 4%) on checking if people can read their messages yet. So I though they can just as well spend some time on watching some ads if they are that bored... The ads should be somewhat targeted at your interest if you have the right ones selected. (poetry, hunting, cats, physics, board games, beer, whisky, LARP, dogs, fashion, stocks, operas, wines, fishing, knitting, Mac and Linux are the ones used now and everyone gets ads about fantasy and scifi, of course).




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2009-01-07 [allenp]: hmmm.....yeah....I got lost in the whole add description thingy :)

That said...I tell you this....I am a hardware junky and yes...Newegg is the place to go.

Your vision I think is certainly understood, at least by me, as the reason for ET....now some (not all) of the younger generation may not quite understand that but I know some of the older folks get that.

Now...am I understanding that you want ET as your job?

I ask these questions because I am an idea guy....and maybe I can find or through our discussion WE can find a way to help

2009-01-07 [Hedda]: Another misconception among shoppers is that they don't want to click on their favourite shop's ads because that will cost it money and you want your shop to be able to offer cheap stuff instead of paying for ads.

But with Google's ads it doesn't work like that. The more people click on a particular ad, the less that advertiser has to pay per click. And if no one clicks on an advertiser's links, their ads will not be shown and your favourite shop will fail in its marketing.

For Elftown's affiliate links, you can click as much as you want on them, because there is no pay per click on them.

So the general rule is simple: Don't go out of your way to not click on ads! And you'll get better ads, better shops and a better Internet.

2009-01-07 [Hedda]: Elftown is my job at the moment. It just doesn't pay...

Any ideas of how to make money is greatly appreciated. I'm trying my best to make Elftowners both save and earn money, but I'm not so got at it yet.

But we should of course not forget that Elftown should be fun! This isn't a salt mine! (I do recommend the Salt Mines in Krakow though, but working in one is supposed to be less fun)

2009-01-07 [Hedda]: (buy.com do seem to be cheapest on books though and if that's wrong, then I hope I get corrected. I doubt they are cheapest on every book, but if they live up to that 10% less than Amazon offer you see at the bottom of a page it's generally very good)

2009-01-07 [allenp]: Ahh....so Elftown is your job...now that puts things into a different perspective. I think the only means for steady income would be through the adds.

Another way, but a way that would have to be carefully approached, would be to offer memberships of some sort not unlike deviant art does. Now...what this membership would include I dont know yet. I know that you shouldnt take away from the towns people what they already have...so it will take some thought. Perhaps others will have ideas as well.

2009-01-07 [Hedda]: The problem is that I don't like the membership idea. Some reasoning behind it:

It's the most active members of Elftown who would become members.

It's the most active members of Elftown who makes this a fun and useful place for everyone else.

People who don't mean a shit to Elftown as a community are the ones who click mostly on the ads. It's people who have Googled and come to Elftown. That content is made by the most active Elftowners.

So instead of people donating, I would prefer if they just sell me their soul... That is: Following the Elftown advice when shopping online. Then they would both save money and help the community in the long run.

The second thing is that it needs to become easier to go from registered member to active member. I'll try to set up a new member attack-squad, see the Elftown members forum in a minute.

2009-01-07 [james2777]: [Hedda] why not ofset with a membership to fake? do they not all somewhat run together? and plus it would eliminate the underage people on that site. even if it is just 2 dollers a month on there you could spred the wealth with all the sites and do somewhat better.... it is just an idea

2009-01-07 [Hedda]: Any community would die with a membership fee. It has been tried on many sites and the results are horrible.

2009-01-07 [Dr. Androgynous]: Depends, if the community is worth paying for.

2009-01-07 [james2777]: fake should be for 18 and over and for some people an on line life means a whole lot if they can not make a 2 doller p/p payment a month or 10 dollers for a year then something is fishy there i do belive hell sex sites charge 29.99 mostly i belive for that site a 2 doller fee would help alot you could at least try on there  of all of them and if it does not work then you can drop the membership after 90 days if the numbers drop so badly but if it was to work then it would help on these 3 major elf sites  ah just my openion

2009-01-07 [allenp]: I dont think that would be in the best spirit of Elftown. I understand where you are coming from but those things work well in a perfect of which this is not. [Hedda] is right...ET would not survive and thats the whole point...its survival.

2009-01-08 [Chimes]: "but those things work well in a perfect of which this is not."
Whuuuuuut...? o.o;

2009-01-08 [james2777]: im not referring to elftown I mean for the mostly adult site FAKE to see i that works and i so spred the monies around on fake elfpack and elftown. that is what I was getting to.. but if ya all think that is not a good idea then i`ll accept that

2009-01-08 [Artsieladie]: Hmm.. I only click on ads that peek my interest, occasionally just out of curiosity, but as a whole, I'm not much of an ad clicker, because it usually seems to lead me to a place I don't really want to be, either because they want my personal info and/or they are just trying to get me to buy something that I can live without. :P However, if just the clicking on the ads can be beneficial, without actually having to carry through with anything, I can certainly do more clicking! :)

lol [Chimes]. ;) I just want to know how we can help [Hedda], that's all. :)

2009-01-08 [allenp]: [Chimes] It means that some times great ideas will only work if everyone in life does what they SHOULD (or what we think they should) do....but we know that never happens.

Its hard to tell when someones being sarcastic or honest on the internet sometimes....so if you were being sarcastic...we are only trying to help in here. If you don't want me help I will go elsewhere.

2009-01-08 [Artsieladie]: [allenp], I think we all just want to see how we can be helpful. Everyone's positive help and input is welcome. I think [Chimes] just wanted you to clear up what you said so she could understand what you said. We all have ideas, which we should mention, because a silent idea can never become a good idea. *winks*

2009-01-08 [Chimes]: Artsie is right. :] Your sentence seemed like it was missing a word and so confused me. Help is good. If I were being sarcastic I would probably put '>.>', but I wasn't so all is well. :]

2009-01-08 [allenp]: :)

2009-01-08 [Chimes]: Sorry for the confusion. :]

2009-01-19 [Hedda]: That new ad is bugging though... It's set to not display when there is no ads, but I can see a damn FightGlobalWarming ad. Maybe because it isn't active yet.

2009-01-19 [Hedda]: Hm, now it started to work as in not appearing. At least for me.

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