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2005-03-19 [Stratakus]: Yeah, I got asked the other day by someone who I ended up reporting for art theft if she could join the Patrollers.
2005-03-19 [hanhepi]: lmao! no way! i dont beleive how stupid some people can be. lol.
2005-03-19 [Stratakus]: I just tell them to reasd the Wiki first to find out the real way people get their titles around here
2005-03-19 [teptep]: I just tell them there is no way if I catch them stealing the only reason they do it, is to act like oh I did a baaad thing maybe I could get on his good side by acting like I relize I did wrong and want to help out, screw that I don't want art thieves or people who don't take things seriously as a gaurd or patroller. being bored is no excuse ether, if you bored go outside and play do something for god sake.
2005-03-19 [Stratakus]: Phew. I finally caught up on the Assembly forums... 85 unread posts but I read them all!
2005-04-09 [Janouk]: I saw it :'( *sobs*
2005-04-09 [Savien]: Welcome back Stratakus. You really read them all? o.O
2005-04-10 [Stratakus]: 84 unread posts.... Yeesh. Though I do take quite a bit of time off ET for school work
2005-04-13 [Fingon]: When are you going to say who is the winner of et photo contest it has been like 20 days? PLEASE He He He
2005-04-13 [Yuriona]: When we know who the winner is. Stop pestering... *glares*
2005-04-14 [Savien]: The voting is still going. Winner will be announced soon...stay tuned.
2005-04-14 [Ihsahn]: please keep random chat off the wiki :)
2005-04-18 [Bratt]: well im here and trying to get re-involved into Elfwood, just point me in the direction I need to go and let me run free. :D
2005-04-18 [djxmonster]: try http://elfwood
2005-04-18 [Savien]: Well hello Bratt... welcome back.
2005-06-04 [EmJ Taylor]: I am an assembly veteran, I know. However I would still like to help in any way I can on the assembly team if that is at all possible.
2005-07-31 [Stratakus]: Someone is arguing with me over my joy about House sixe limitations, saying "But peopl dont' take the time to look at things if they're in Wiki's" and "So what if they have every song on a CD in their description? What if the songs describe them!?"
2005-07-31 [Ihsahn]: it doesn't mean that every one else should face the punishment of looking at it either
2005-07-31 [Stratakus]: When does it come into effect anyways? I still see huge houses so it must not be in effect or it doesn't change ones that are already long...
2005-07-31 [Ihsahn]: I hope soon, this place was created for artists, if you want to display your favorite bands songs and punish me by having to view them then they can go to elfpack...
2005-07-31 [Stratakus]: [glen.] Prime example. 50 cents entire cd lyrics and a bunch of "My friends" pics... most of them are on ET. I wonder what the limitation will be on houses.
2005-07-31 [Ihsahn]: hopefully enough to not take forever for the page to load
2005-07-31 [Ihsahn]: [Black Dahlia] is also one of the patrollers
2005-08-10 [Danse Macabre]: how can i get priv 94
2005-08-10 [Stratakus]: You should have it as of now.
2005-08-10 [Danse Macabre]: thanks
2005-08-10 [Ihsahn]: can I get priv 94? =p
2005-08-11 [Stratakus]: I guess it's up to the guards.
2005-08-12 [Ihsahn]: well of course it is ;)
2005-08-12 [Yuriona]: I think at this time, your current priv is adequate [Ihsahn]. If you are serious however, I will bring the matter before the other guards.
2005-08-12 [Ihsahn]: I am being silly , hints the =p, I wont have time to use the privs, perhaps when I get back in lets say, a couple of months
2005-08-12 [Yuriona]: This is not the place to be silly. This is an official wiki so please treat it with some respect.
2005-08-12 [Ihsahn]: as you wish
2005-10-17 [Ariandra]: I'm sure you will do fine, [Lothuriel]. Just be prepared to get some flack from both sides occasionally.
2005-10-17 [Yuriona]: I am sure you shall easily exceed them my dear. ^_^ Welcome to the group!
2005-10-17 [Lothuriel]: Thanks...I have three kids and I work in a comic book store...I can handle anything.
2006-02-22 [Danse Macabre]: sorry to bother you but how would i get priv 99?
2006-02-23 [Stratakus]: I think it's a reward for good behavior. You could ask one of the guards and they would decide, as far as I know.
2006-02-23 [Lothuriel]: He is correct [Danse Macabre], you must ask permission from a guard.
2006-02-23 [Danse Macabre]: ok thanks!
2006-04-11 [Coldfire1]: i have a question.i'm doing a brochure in english class,and i wanted to do one on elftown.so i was wondering if its ok for me to used pics of elftown in it?
2006-04-14 [Savien]: I'm not sure what you mean, by pics of elftown.....do you intend to use some of the graphics in the brochure?
2006-04-14 [Coldfire1]: ya like the homepage pic, its only for class so i'm useing it for anything big
2006-04-14 [Savien]: I asked about it in the forums, and the crew will get back to me on it. Since the images there don't belong to me, i think we should wait for them to answer, ok.
2006-04-14 [Coldfire1]: ok
2006-04-20 [Ultiem]: i know im not assembly but i got a great contest idea for assembly.... since draw the council has been done before how about a draw the assembly competition?
2006-04-20 [Coldfire1]: sounds kool ^^
2006-04-20 [Ultiem]: never been done before from what i gather
2006-04-20 [Savien]: That might be a fun idea, but be warned, not all of us are pretty. :P
2006-04-20 [Savien]: And I'm still getting an answer for you coldfire1, I haven't forgotten. The crew says you would be able to use pages from Elftown, but any images on those pages, you would need the artist's permission to use them. I'm trying to find out whos permission you need to get to use Main Street images, so bear with me, ok?
2006-04-20 [Coldfire1]: its kool ^^ thanks for that. i'll just delet the picts thta i need permition for so there no trouble.i really aprishiate the help
2006-04-21 [Ihsahn]: [Dr.No]. [prisoner#81378][Images] [Levoton][TheRogue][maketsu].[Liv] are the ones that made the front page depending on which image you decide to use. for that. As for the Art [BlackbirdKate] is the featured artistt.
2006-04-21 [Coldfire1]: ok thanks ^^
2006-04-21 [Savien]: I was informed that mainly the featured artist would need to be asked. All the little buttons, and banners reaaly don't count. As for any other pages you choose to use, just please be sure to ask any contributing artists for permission first. If you don't know who made the art, ask the page owner for their names. Good enough?
2006-04-21 [Savien]: ...and thanks Ihsahn. :)
2006-04-21 [Coldfire1]: well i'm set now thanks for your help ^^
2006-04-21 [Ihsahn]: Just wishing to help out as much as possible.
2006-04-21 [Ultiem]: hooah featured artist...lol um yeah...so should i continue with the creation of the contest?
2006-04-21 [Ihsahn]: Perhaps you should discuss it on this forum <joinforum:1088:assembly> (Assembly-Public forum) I am sure they will hear you out better on there.
2006-04-25 [Sir. Robert]: You are all doing a great job :) One very pleased contest junkie here :P
2006-07-09 [nik_the_shyte]: the union
2006-10-20 [Sunrose]: Assemblymember
2008-01-26 [Imperator]: This says you guys can edit mainstreet. Could you put a link to the ETA Classes page below the Elftown Academy link?
2008-01-26 [Imperator]: He hasn't responded to my forum post in suggestions so I thought he might be too busy to bother or something. Sorry...
2008-01-26 [Sunrose]: That doesn't suddenly enable others to do it instead :P
He will get to the posting in due time :)
2008-07-13 [Imperator]: Question: What do you guys actually do as Assembly members?
2008-07-13 [Ariandra]: We do different things. Our "job description" is at the top of the page, but we apply ourselves in ways that we find that we can be helpful. [Lothuriel] and [Yuriona], for instance, work hard on all kinds of stuff for contests and mainstreet.
2008-07-13 [Imperator]: Have you ever "formally" spoken to the council? And what does that mean? Is it more special than sending a message?
2008-07-13 [Ariandra]: LOL! We do have a forum in which we get to rub elbows with the high muckitymucks themselves, but I don't know that I have ever "formally" had the floor! ;)
2008-07-13 [Imperator]: As in a special forum for all the administration people? And so you're saying that "formally" means that you're both muckitymucks having a chummy talk?
2008-07-13 [Ariandra]: Yes, a special forum in which we can present ideas and questions that have been brought to us, I guess. I promise you that sometimes it isn't chummy at all, & I don't feel at all like a muckitymuck!lo
2008-07-13 [Imperator]: So basically, the above heading should be changed to "Besides the power to speak informally to the Council..."? And I like the word "muckitymuck".
Question: Is Elftown so huge that it spans several time zones? Oh wait, I should be asleep now too so it might not...
2008-07-14 [Yuriona]: Actually we speak both formally and informally to the Council. In fact, some of us are on the Council so we get to enjoy the best of both. =)
2008-07-14 [Imperator]: What? How can you be on the assembly and the council? Does that mean you think of yourself as an "arrogant bastard"?
2008-07-14 [Yuriona]: Considering myself an 'arrogant bastard' would be irrelevant really since I am neither arrogant nor a bastard. :P
I would have thought that having Council as members of the Assembly would be rather self explanatory. Since the main role of the Assembly is to act as a liason between the members of Elftown and the Council, would it not make sense that some of those liasons are members of the council in order to better facilitate the taking of the members' concerns and/or suggestions to the council?
As well, being a member of the council and the guards means I have a first hand understanding of how things are handled here and use said experience to better assist those who require it.
2008-07-14 [All_Most PUNK]: muckitymucks? *raises one eyebrow*
2008-07-14 [Yuriona]: For a lack of a better term I suppose. *shrugs*
2008-07-14 [All_Most PUNK]: I'm not sure what it means. I'm curious now.
2008-07-14 [Imperator]: I think you guys overstate the importance of being a channel for Elftowners to reach the council. If anything it makes you look like the arrogant bastards now that I think about it... Oh well, everyone has to feel important. That's where the first part of my name comes in for me.
And "muckitymuck" is such a cool word that it doesn't need a meaning. To its credit, it was the assembly that came up with it too.
2008-07-14 [All_Most PUNK]: -
Maybe the assembly could explain it to me, then :P
2008-07-14 [Imperator]: I could explain it to you... I'm the one who heard it used for the first time.
2008-07-14 [All_Most PUNK]: Do we have to keep making comments and more comments that probably should be deleted so we won't clutter an official wiki or will you just tell me, being considerate and considering the fact that English isn't my nature language and there's the slight chance that I may not know some of the vocables that are part of said language?
2008-07-14 [Imperator]: You said you wanted the assembly to explain it so I wasn't going to squash that dream of yours... And I don't see how an understanding of English has much to do with "muckitymuck" but anyway...
Right, um... Muckitymuck... Yeah, so it's kinda like a high ranking person that has other high ranking chums with insider dealings and... yeah... I guess.
2008-07-14 [All_Most PUNK]: Kid, knowledge of English has to do with it that I didn't know the word :P So it has a lot to do.
Thanks for the answer. Let's stop the cluttering unless it has to do with Assembly bussiness at least for a while ;)
2008-07-14 [Imperator]: Well I didn't know the word either until [Ariandra] used it! And who are you calling "kid"? I'm an Imperator!
But the Assembly was just complaining that it never got any comments... Speaking of which, if the Assembly is for the Elftowners to talk to, why don't they?
2008-07-14 [All_Most PUNK]: I'm PUNK. And I call everybody "kid" and things like that.
I don't know. I'd love that they did it more than they do.
2008-07-15 [Ariandra]: A "muckitymuck" is just an American slang term for for someone who has a position of authority. And, BTW, Elftown does in fact cross time zones. There are people all over the world who are Elftowners. Check out the map! 8)
2008-07-15 [Imperator]: Have you actually heard "muckitymuck" used before?
2008-07-15 [Lothuriel]: Yes, as a matter of fact it is in a song by Tenacious D called Wonderboy.
2008-07-15 [Imperator]: 0.0 I'm crushed. I thought this Assembly had finally done something worth remembering but now I know it was plagiarized! Waaaaaaa!
2008-07-16 [Ariandra]: I've never even heard of Wonderboy...or Tenacious D. *shrugs*
2008-07-16 [sequeena_rae]: I think Tenacious D is a rap singer/group o.O;
2008-07-16 [Yuriona]: *ahem* Could we keep the conversations focused on more official minded business please? This is not a chat wiki after all.
2008-07-16 [Imperator]: I'd just like to point out that there isn't any "official minded business" to have a conversation about...
2008-07-16 [SilverFire]: Then does that not imply that there should be no conversation, at the moment? :P
2008-07-16 [Imperator]: Considering that the last conversation before I came around occured 14 months prior, I would think the Assembly members would be excited to see anything happen on thier page, on topic or not. I know I would be. :-)
2008-07-17 [Calico Tiger]: If you have issues you wish to talk to the Assembly about, then do so. If you're just here to insult them, then stop. Calling them useless and arrogant is uncalled for. Consider this an official harassment warning. You don't have to kiss anyone's butt, but there's no call for random insults either.
2008-07-17 [Imperator]: Awwww come on; I'm just joking around. I think we all know that the assembly does more than just answer comments.
2008-07-17 [Lothuriel]: Actually, most of the Assembly are members of the Council. We do a lot here in Elftown. We run contests, keep up Main Street and help keep an eye out for people who like to break the number one rule of Elftown. Perhaps you haven't seen the Assembly do much good because you've been gone for so long. I would suggest you and your little friends stop this ridiculous wiki harassment and heed [Calico Tiger]'s warning, if you enjoy hanging around in Elftown.
2008-07-18 [Imperator]: I think there are two sides to this. I'm sure the Assembly is doing a fine job with contests and mianstreet but they haven't seemed so active with actually communicating with ETers. However, I blame this on there being so many ways to talk to the administration through forums, wikis, and comments on more easily accessible administration pages like council. The assembly function of talking to ETers has been outsourced and largely to the council. Am I right or am I wrong?
2008-07-18 [Calico Tiger]: They haven't been out-sourced to us :P People complained that the council was too hard to talk to. So we decided to make an assembly that consisted of those that people claimed were easier to talk to to get them to bring their concerns to us :D So it really would be that the council's function of talking to ETers were outsourced to the assembly XD
I think part of the reason people don't go to the assembly anymore isn't necessarily that they aren't doing anything. But they aren't making themselves as known *thinks* Not sure how to rectify that. Other than various assembly members being more active in talking to everyone and advertising themselves to remind people that they're there if they feel that the council is too unapproachable :D
2008-07-18 [Calico Tiger]: Of course, people also have to realize that just because they brought up something to the assembly, if it's still a silly idea (like wanting the ability to see someone's IP address just to see if they're really being stalked by someone, as just an extreme example), it's still going to be "no".
2008-07-18 [Imperator]: From what has been said here, it seems to me that the Assembly does a lot of building on Elftown which seems to officially be the council's main role and the council takes care of the talking as well. In a way, from my perspective, the original roles of both have switched. Is that the case?
2008-07-18 [Calico Tiger]: No :) They have not switched. If you look at the members of the Council page, it's full of builders and those of us who... well... build (make contests, graphics, run various official wikis, etc...).
A lot of our assembly has been inactive lately and we're not going to stop making polls and contests because of that. Now, if their inactivity is due to a reason that they need to bring up to the council, then they should definitely do so! But, not all of the assembly is inactive. They have their own private forum, so they may be going full force in there chatting about issues, quite actively. Dunno, I'm not a member, so can't see it.
But, and I don't mean this as a bash at the assembly, don't ever once think that the assembly has taken over the council's job or switched places ;)
I'm trying not to answer too much for their behalf now. Because there's a lot of things (that I hopefully brought up that will make them irritated and speak up!) that they need to address themselves. But the council thing I can definitely answer for :D
Also, running contests and polls and the sort aren't exclusive to just the council or the assembly, btw. It's kind of... complicated to explain :) And the council is, by no means, not allowed to interact with the public. We are just as encouraged and allowed to speak with ETers as the assembly is :D As I said before, there have been complaints in the past about the council being unapproachable
But they're not there as a replacement for talking to the council. Members can feel free to talk to either one :)
2008-07-18 [Imperator]: Hmmmmm. So basically, the Assembly is meant to be a nice version of the council?
I think the Assembly has largely lost its importance as a way to talk to ETers. I may be wrong but that's what it looks like. If we want the Assembly to be more involved with people then they should be more involved in the newbie forum and help wikis, right? Also they should have a link like the council does on mainstreet. In fact, my job on the Guides should be the first to go in order to make more room for the Assembly to retake this function, lol. Or am I mixing up helping with random talking?
2008-07-18 [Calico Tiger]: They do help out in newbie forums :D But, again, I think it's an issue with people being busy. [Stratakus], for example, is out for the Summer. As is [Ariandra] (with the extreme amounts of business). Loth and Yuri are both quite active in everything. And [irulan]... well... she's pretty busy now too, come to think of it XD
Guides are a quite a bit different from the assembly :D Anyone in Elftown can be a guide and help out. And it's very welcome! The assembly's duties are a lot different as I've already stated :) Although that's not to say that they can't do that as well. Again, everyone is welcome to being guides and helping out.
However, I do agree that possibly a link from Main Street may be a good idea! And some more assembly members. It's up to the assembly to choose their members, but we (council) tend to also make suggestions of people who are interested to them. I'll have to leave that part to Yuri and Loth to answer :D Meanwhile, you should mention the assembly linkage over on the updates page or on ERA so that [Hedda] can see it more readily *nod nods*
2008-07-18 [Calico Tiger]: Btw, you suxx0rz. My posts are incredibly long and it's your fault D:< *goes back to looking at porn instead*
2008-07-18 [Imperator]: I have noticed that the council is expanding its ranks greatly yet I read somewhere on here that the assembly was intended to be larger than the council. What about that? Why hasn't the assembly snatched some people off the apply to the crew page before the council could?
2008-07-18 [Imperator]: 0.0 I'm asking the questions and you can just take a break from your porn to answer them! *slap*
2008-07-18 [Calico Tiger]: porn > you
>:P
2008-07-18 [Imperator]: No no no, I'm sure I'm greater than anything you'd see in your porn... *wink wink*
I'm so sorry! It was the perfect burn opportunity!! I couldn't help it!!!
2008-07-18 [Lothuriel]: Recently, as a member of the Assembly, I have taken several things to the Council on behalf of other members who were too afraid to step foward.
2008-08-07 [Ultiem]: porn gives your hand jobs
2008-09-26 [Thunder Cid]: I strongly feel that there needs to be a third power in the Elftown Government to simply judge all official competitions year round. That way the assembly can create the competitions (i.e. the legislative section), the council could pass which ones make the cut (the executive section), and if it would all go to plan a panel of 5 appointed judges would simply judge all of the competitions (we could simply call them the judicial section or Elftown Supreme Court) I also feel that Elftown could do with a bill of rights that in bold and simple font, show the rights given to each and every Elftowner. It would be an honor for the assembly to speak to the council on my behalf on my issues and if they approved my ideas I would be honored to personally write up the first rough draft to submit for amending.
Sincerely:
Cid
2008-09-26 [Lothuriel]: I don't mean to sound rude but, you really need to know how the Council and Assembly work before making such suggestions about how official contests are voted on.
As for the Elftown Bill of Rights, they exist somewhat. You can find all you need to know about the rights of Elftowners and such in Help.
2008-09-26 [Thunder Cid]: What my understanding was that the Assembly made the competitions and edit the Mainstreet and the Council was responsible for the upkeep of the mainstreet and keep it fresh and new. Also, and I don't want to sound rude either, It was my understanding that the assembly was to speak on my behalf to the council in a formal manner.
And as I said a bill of rights, not a list of privileges.
2008-09-26 [Lothuriel]: The Assembly and the Council work together to form the competitions. Some members of the Assembly can edit Main Street but that is mostly left up to the members of the Council. It is the job of the Assembly to speak to the Council on the behalf of the members of Elftown if there is a valid argument to be made or if there is a question about say, how things are run for an example.
I understand the difference between a Bill of Rights and a list of privileges. Elftown is not a Democracy. We are run by a set of rules and regulations and those are not going to change on a whim.
2008-09-26 [Thunder Cid]: Well I see now how the system works now so I'll dismiss any idea of a judicial section.
However I will continue to push for the bill.
Also I'm once again confused on how the assembly is a democratic order. Please explain it to me in full detail.
2008-09-26 [Lothuriel]: Well, I will try...
The word democratic is characterized by the principle of political or social equality for all. The Assembly has been assigned the task of speaking to the Council on the behalf of those here in Elftown that might be having a problem or an issue that they are either too afraid to speak to the Council or the Guards about or if they simply do not know how to do so.
The Assembly was put in place to help ensure that members of Elftown are treated with fairness and equality. The owner of the website has the final say in how Elftown is programmed and on certain social issues.
If you have suggestions, such as your Bill of Rights for Elfown it is usually best to put them in the Suggestions Forum. The owner (The Mayor) of the website frequents there and will be quick to let you know whether or not your idea(s) have any foundation here. If you have an idea that does not deal with direct programming or how the site is run, then on occasion, the members of the Crew will discuss it behind closed doors and then give you an answer.
2008-09-26 [Thunder Cid]: Okay this I understand.
Now how is it that there are some people who hold a spot in both seat of the administration
2008-09-26 [Lothuriel]: Because the Council and the Assembly are separate. There are some on the Assembly that do not have the same privileges as those on the Council. Just as members of the Council do not have the same privileges or duties as the Guards.
2008-09-26 [Lothuriel]: I, for example, started out as a member of the Assembly. When I was offered a spot on the Council, I decided to remain here as part of the Assembly as well. I am a people person and like to help others.
2008-09-26 [Thunder Cid]: I see.
But don't you also believe it's about time to start pulling applications off of the apply to the crew list, just so you can get some interns in here.
2008-09-27 [Imperator]: I agree with that. The council is expanding rapidly while the little ol' assembly stays the same.
2008-09-27 [Lothuriel]: Actually we downsized the Assembly purposely and for good reason. We now have several interns on the Council.
2008-09-27 [Imperator]: Why downsize the Assembly? And isn't it supposed to be something of a counter-weight to the Council?
2008-09-27 [Lothuriel]: We had our reasons, as discussed in the Crew-Assembly forum and no, the Assembly is like that at all.
2008-09-27 [Imperator]: Is the information classified or something? :D
2008-09-27 [Lothuriel]: Well the Crew and Assembly forums are not open to the public for a reason. It's no big conspiracy or anything like that though. I just don't feel like typing it all out when you have access to read them.
2008-09-27 [Imperator]: I do? You just said they're not open to the public...
2008-09-27 [Lothuriel]: Sorry, I got you confused with someone else. But, I am still not going to explain it all out. It is not really anything worth knowing.
2008-09-27 [Imperator]: You didn't even answer the question. :P So can I find this out for myself? And if it's so unimportant, surely you can summarize it into a single, brief sentence...
2008-09-27 [Lothuriel]: Actually I did answer your question and there is nothing more to really say about it. We purposely downsized the Assembly for our own good reasons. Even though there is nothing to really hide, there are some things that aren't meant to be publicly displayed.
2008-09-27 [Imperator]: Perhaps you could send that single, brief sentence in a message so it won't be public... I want you to know that I'm curious now and will probably never let you live it down until you tell me. :P
2008-09-27 [Lothuriel]: Just don't hold your breath...
2008-09-28 [Imperator]: *doesn't let you live this down*
2008-09-28 [Paul Doyle]: Curiously, just as a minor note, when the assembly was started, there was some discussion regarding representation
Though I have absolutely no desire to ever again get involved "behind the scenes" on Elftown (or any other Internet site unless it's my own site of course), I can't help but wonder what might have happened if the "Elftown Senate" idea was explored a bit more. Granted, that has to be checked with reality. People have busy lives, and to be quite frank ET is a bad place to be a "zealot". I learned that that hard way, and generally regret it.
[Imperator], if you really want to get involved on a governmental level, forget about this website. After all, it is NOT a democracy! Never has been, never will be. It would seem Assembly only developed to a certain point, because many people don't really know what this Assembly is supposed to do, other than helping out here and there. It's just kind of . . . "there". [Imperator], if you want to make a difference get involved in your local government, wherever you may live. If you're young enough (and, assuming you live in the USA), perhaps seek volunteer/inte
http://en.wiki
In the meantime, leave these people on Assembly alone amd let them do their thing, whatever that "thing" may be. Thank you.
2008-09-28 [Thunder Cid]: Oh my God. For once someone has been straight up, nonvague, and totally honest. Thank you so much [Paul Doyle]
2008-09-29 [Lothuriel]: Don't believe everything you read dear. Some people here in Elftown want you to believe there is some horrible conspiracy brewing behind closed doors. There are some that want members to believe That the Council spend their days menacingly plotting against other members, rigging contests and holding greatly talented writers and artists back from achieving their goals. This is absolute nonsense. What purpose would it prove? How would this kind of behavior be fruitful in allowing Elftown to grow into a world renown web community for artists are writers?
The truth of the matter is that the people on the Council and the Assembly are normal everyday people. We come from many walks of life. Believe it or not, we all lead productive and happy lives outside of the internet. And although we may not always agree on how things should be in Elftown, we all share the same goal. That goal is to make Elftown a fun and somewhat safe (and by safe I mean safe from art thieves, plagiarism, etc) place for creative minds to gather and share their ideas, projects and dreams. Which is one of the biggest reasons we are so strict with our policies set up in the uploading art rules of Elftown. This is an online community for creative minds, with the majority of them being artists. Artists who don't want their artwork stolen.
Some members are constantly complaining that contests are rigged and that somehow the Crew (Council, Assembly, Guards, etc) are out to get certain members or that we are bound and determined to bring down anyone with ideas or suggestions. This train of thought can be described as little more than insane rubbish. If this were the case, then I would have been winning official contests left and right. These same members strive and fight for changes in the rules and procedures and when and if they win, they then complain about the very things they fought for. They can’t be satisfied and frankly, we are not going to loose any sleep worrying about what they think. It’s a pointless conundrum.
The people on the Crew are just that....we are people. Creative people that like to share our thoughts and ideas just like the rest of you. We volunteer our time with the hope of making Elftown more enjoyable and to keep the activities and official wikis from going dry and stale. Elftown is an ongoing project. Some experiments will thrive and then there are others that will need to be reexamined and changed.
So, before you suddenly decide that we are all monsters out to bring everyone down, stop and think. What do we possibly have to gain from doing so? What good would it do for us either in real life or online to gang up against a group of contest participants, for example, and rig a contest. If that was the case, why would we even bother having them?
2008-09-29 [Thunder Cid]: Oh don't get me wrong I hang on the neutral side and believe what you say is true. Why would they hold back artist right? However when it comes to the issue of the "behind the scenes" work I just have to wonder what really goes on. And since [Paul Doyle] has been there before I have to believe there is some credit to what he says until I get to see it personally (which I will one day when the council sees fit :) I will always abide by the UAR and other rules established by [Hedda] and his merry men, but I will never stop fighting for what I believe is fair and righteous, such as the judges for the official competitions and the bill of rights.
2008-09-29 [Lothuriel]: Whatever...lik
2008-09-29 [Thunder Cid]: Okay calm down. I completely understand trust me. Try to imagine getting military clearance. A lot harder than this believe me.
Keep up the good work [Lothuriel] :)
2008-09-29 [Lothuriel]: I am calm, believe me. Takes a lot more than that to get me upset.
2008-09-29 [Thunder Cid]: Lucky you. I go off like a time bomb ^^
2008-09-29 [Viking]: I've been on the inside as well, and I can say that there were no conspiracies, except for preventing guards from banning more people.
2008-09-29 [Sunrose]: @Cid: You're not really neutral if you're giving credit to just one side of the story. I understand though that you can only form an opinion by what you're told. So I hereby want to shed some light on it as well:
Paul hasn't been a member of the Council, the so called behind-the-sce
The Assembly suffered a number of problems:
- It was dealing with an established self-governing entity, the Council. You can't expect to be given more power than an entity that has more experience than you do, and for that entity to accept being supervised by such a party.
Reorganisation
Everyone is simply used to working in a certain way, which undoubtedly has strengths and weaknesses. If you want to make a change, you can't throw a hissy-fit just to make it happen.
- Some members here didn't seem to want to work very hard, but get a lot of powers anyway.
At some point Council simply started hiring the few Assembly members who did do the work, because we didn’t want to lose them as contributing members.
I have tried many times to encourage the Assembly to manage their own members (to remove inactive people and hire new enthusiastic members from apply to the crew). They however didn't do so. Considering I wasn't a member, and not supposed to, I couldn't do it for them.
@Paul: Politics in real life also requires you to earn the trust of other politicians. For people to rely on you, they need to be able to trust that you know what you're talking about.
2008-09-29 [Imperator]: Why doesn't the council stick some people on the Assembly that would reform it?
2008-09-29 [Sunrose]: First and foremost because that would be a conflict of interest: The Council would select members they prefer.
Secondly it would need a lot of Council guidance, which costs a lot of time that most don't have.
Thirdly, the inactivity implies no one is interested.
Fourthly, it's already difficult for Council to find members who are truly willing to work their butts off for little or nothing in return. How would we then fill yet another organisation with such people?
Etc.
2008-09-29 [Thunder Cid]: I stand as a netural when it comes to opinions other than my own. As for Pauls statement, it just stuck and made more sense to just go out and volenteer in real life than :P I also find Lothuriel to be true when she says that there are things that need to be kept behind closed doors. Actually I just had an epiphany, "the more I think about both of there sides the more I just get confused so I think I will just shut my mouth now because it is obvioulsy going to get me more confused if I keep thinking about it."
2008-09-29 [Imperator]: I will volunteer to reform this useless page. You [Sunrose], of all people, know that I will. :D Since the Assembly is enlarged by its members I will be able to select others I know can do good work.
If the Council intereferes this one time to appoint me, then no more intereference will be needed because I will make this Assembly into what it was meant to be. I don't think right now is the best time to follow all the rules considering what this has become.
2008-09-29 [Yuriona]: I'm not sure that's a good idea [Imperator]. Weren't you one of the Elftown Guides recently? One who retired himself after a very short service?
2008-09-29 [Imperator]: I did because everyone treated me like dirt for some reason...
2008-09-29 [Yuriona]: That's what the council and guards deal with on a regular basis. That is why it is hard to find willing volunteers to do those jobs. *shrugs* If you found being one of the Guides difficult, why do you think being a part of the Assembly would be any different?
2008-09-29 [Imperator]: *looks around* If it wasn't for me would there have been a conversation here in the past two years? :D And the job wasn't difficult, I just felt loads of animosity emanating from the council. Hee hee!
2008-09-29 [Yuriona]: =O Not from this council member!
And though I applaud you for getting conversation going, I might point out that it hasn't been very constructive conversation from my point of view. I'm not sure how reforming this page will help the core problem: the Assembly isn't active simply because there is little or no interaction from regular Elftown members here. The Assembly was formed to be a go between for members, taking their ideas and concerns to the Council but without that interaction, there is little for the Assembly to do.
So if your proposed reformation of the wiki would actually encourage members to participate more then GREAT! If not, all that work would be for nothing.
2008-09-29 [Calico Tiger]: I think the only reason you got any hostility from people is because of the insulting way you talk to people :) It may be a joke, but you need to remember that not everyone appreciates that type of humor.
And that's a big thing about being an Assembly member. You're supposed to be able to be talked to (and have a much better image of). Not worry that the assembly member is going to call you and idiot who has grated cheese for brains or whatnot. Even if it's a joke, it's not friendly, it's not welcoming. Even if it's to a good friend who knows it's a joke, those who are watching don't and it still leaves a bad impression.
And Paul was fired, for the record (and by the rest of the assembly if I remember right, not even by the council. We just removed his privs). Banning someone because you don't like them (and when you're not even a guard or hedda who are the only people with the right to do so) is never acceptable anywhere.
And yes, this is information that probably is not meant to be seen by the rest of Elftown. But if he's going to be bringing up "behind the scenes" stuff that's hidden and bringing the Assembly down, let's point out exactly why. Sorry Paul, but if you're going to do stuff like this (indicating that you got booted because you rubbed us the wrong way (which is not the case or a lot of people wouldn't be on the council)), expect one of us to finally speak up about things that were kept quiet to keep you from looking bad.
Yes, we don't share a lot of things with people. Why? Because 1, it's not anyone's business but those who are/were involved. 2, it can just hurt things more than help. But if you poke the monkey in the cage with a stick long enough, expect it to reach out and smack you upside the head (yes, I called myself a monkey in a cage. Just an analogy, don't take it literally or read into it. It's supposed to be a humorous image).
2008-09-30 [Imperator]: *the scourge of the assembly returns*
Um... In what way would you council monkeys smack me and for what?
2008-09-30 [Yuriona]: Hmmm... complaining about the way things are done but not volunteering to stick around and actually help do some of the work. That would be a start. }:3
2008-09-30 [Imperator]: 0.0 What's that => }:3 ??? A minotaur?!
What are you talking about? I volunteered! You can't smack me!
2008-09-30 [Lothuriel]: Wanna bet....
2008-10-01 [Imperator]: Gaa! I need help! *calls lawyers*
Lawyers: If you smack our client we will press charges and ask to recover a position on the Assembly in damages.
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: You volunteered yes but you didn't 'stick around and actually help do some of the work'.
Minotaur? Maybe... hope yer not wearing red. ;)
2008-10-01 [Lothuriel]: Oh nos!!! Never wear a red shirt...EVER!!
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: ROFL!! *sets phaser on stun*
2008-10-01 [Imperator]: 0.0 GAA!! Phasers! *ignites lightsaber* Stay back!
But [Yuriona]! I wasn't allowed to actually help becuase my... "volunteerinat
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: O_o Eh? I was talking about quitting Guides as in if you had stuck with it longer than a couple of weeks then perhaps yer volunteerinati
2008-10-01 [Imperator]: Oh, that. Well, I was convinced the council rather regreted giving me that position and wanted me gone so I obliged them...
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: And that is why assumptions are dangerous. :P
2008-10-01 [Imperator]: I still think that. XD But I didn't think my retiring would have such far-reaching consequences. If I did, I probably wouldn't have... :-(
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: I'm still trying to figure out what made you decide that the council wanted you gone in the first place. :/
2008-10-01 [Imperator]: Well, I went through a phase where I couldn't help but continue conversations on official wiki pages even when they drifted off-topic. People were like "you're a guide, start acting like one", etc. It made me sad even though it was self-caused, lol, and I nearly left Elftown so I realized I had to quit because I was inviting too much upset for myself. Does that clarify?
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: It does to a point though we all get lectured when we start spamming the official wikis with junk. *nods* At the same time though it also makes me wonder how having more official type status would effect you.
2008-10-01 [Imperator]: Hmmmmm. Perhaps I wasn't ready for it at the time... I probably just over-reacted.
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: Happens to all of us sooner or later. *nods sagely*
2008-10-01 [Sunrose]: You still think we want you gone and this is part of the reason you retired, then I don't understand why you're applying for a new job that again involves Council :P
2008-10-01 [Yuriona]: Which is what I was wondering too though in a more round about way. ;)
2008-10-02 [Imperator]: :P Yeah, I know it's hypocritical but I've quit with those comments so there wouldn't be a reason to not like me this time. XD
2009-01-11 [lunagirl19]: hi
2009-01-11 [Chimes]: Please, don't use this wiki for chat. :] Though, if you have an issue, feel free to bring it up.
2009-04-11 [Akane Ice]: Us council members do cause trouble. Ask Lind how many times she has *shooed* me away from the Daily poem for making personal comments on the official wiki. Everyone can change *Speaking of Imperator*
2009-04-11 [Imperator]: ;D *hopes this isn't "chat"*
2009-04-11 [Yuriona]: Nah, this is more of a discussion about your request to be reassigned. ^__^
2009-04-11 [Chimes]: And my comment was to the random 'hi', by the way. :P
2009-04-11 [Akane Ice]: Yep, although if you think it's chat we could always move it to the forums and leave you out of it. Lol. I say 'ya' to the request, but that's just me.
2009-04-12 [Imperator]: Request? As in my previous offer of servitude to the Assembly? XP Tee hee!
Awww, thanks Akane. :D You're a pal!
2009-04-12 [Yuriona]: Yar, that would be it. ^__^ I certainly don't see a problem with yer request either for that matter. Now we just gotta wait for the red tape to get untangled. ;)
2009-04-12 [Imperator]: "Yar" ^^ There's red tape?
2009-04-12 [Yuriona]: Well, sorta. ^^ Governing type bodies are notorious for it.
2009-04-12 [SilverFire]: We tend to use ours to tie each other up and play kinky games with, though. <_<
2009-04-12 [Thunder Cid]: Greatest conversation ever.
2009-04-12 [Imperator]: Games?! Like checkers? *cough* I mean: Cut the chatter! This page is for relevant comments only! So shut up Silvie! D-:<
2009-04-12 [Chimes]: Technically it is relevant. :P It's about the red tape which seems to be here. :P
2009-04-12 [Akane Ice]: The red tape also keeps out the 'Pulse' ....>> so if you are ever afraid of freaky ass computer creatures and stuff (Completly irrelavant) (Doesn't Care)
2009-10-15 [Yuriona]: What were we talkin' about again?
2009-10-15 [Akane Ice]: Something about red tape and the pulse. O.o I don't recall...
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