By [Forever Equine]
2005-12-11 [Urmando The Elfling]: Thanx, it took also a great deal of time... What do you mean, I'm a perfectionist? (LOL)
2005-12-11 [crowfeather]: i think all artists are perfectionists to a point ^^
2005-12-11 [Urmando The Elfling]: Yep, Creativity is like adrenalin to me, so this is MY addiction, I guess...
2005-12-11 [crowfeather]: ^__^ woohoo!
2005-12-11 [moira hawthorne]: I have like 3 WIP for this.... which ever one I can get done! ..
2005-12-11 [crowfeather]: hello there Moira
2005-12-11 [moira hawthorne]: hello... so much stuff to do.. my son wants the tree up! I want to do art!
2005-12-11 [Atayemi]: Ooo we have got a real tree this year. Pines everywhere! >.<
2005-12-11 [iippo]: Pine!?!?!?!? It's supposed to be fir! *raves around and disappears into nothingness*
2005-12-11 [Charybdis]: Ah, but they smell far, far better than anything you could ever find in a store ^^ we always go and cut our own in the weeks before Christmas, although we haven't done that yet this year ^^
2005-12-11 [Atayemi]: Heh I'm not sure. Its just the little thorn things that are left around the house after you bring the tree into the living room...its 7ft! We were struggling to get it through the front door, nevermind getting it in the car! XD
2005-12-11 [iippo]: Of course a natural tree smells better, but fir is the way to go, not pine. :-}
2005-12-11 [Charybdis]: Either/or, as long as it's not artificial :P // Do you mean the needles, Atayemi? :P Haha, we don't even bother vacuuming until January in that room ^^ // Love your entry, Urmando! I don't know if I'll have the time to do mine in time ;~;
2005-12-11 [moira hawthorne]: we have a balsum fir... its a small tree.. less than 5 foot.. b/c we dont have even room for it.. and we dont have a car so we walk to the store and walked it home my hubby carrying it...
2005-12-11 [Atayemi]: Thats the word! Needles! Thankyou Char! :P // Haha thats it Moira! Get the men to do the hard work! :P
2005-12-11 [Charybdis]: o_o Don't they put it into a wire mesh for you so you can get it through the door?
2005-12-11 [moira hawthorne]: ofcourse! men have to have the egos stroked by doing the manly things for their woman!
2005-12-11 [Atayemi]: Ours wasn't in wire mesh...>.< Damn the christmas tree people! // Yes! We have to do all the housework while the men look on! (I help my mum while my dad sits on his ass on the sofa watching the football...>.<)
2005-12-11 [moira hawthorne]: I do dishes and laundry .. Bill does vacuming and floor washing...
2005-12-11 [Atayemi]: Hmm, I suppose hes good for something then :)
2005-12-11 [Zab]: Please don't chat randomly here. :P I'm not sure this place is the right wiki for that discussion even if it involves christmass trees.. ;P
2005-12-11 [Atayemi]: Oh. Okay sorry. :S
2005-12-11 [Urmando The Elfling]: Thanx Charybdis, A little preciation is alway's nice after all those hours Art work!!!! :-) // btw, I hope you can make it, to get your entry in time. You're a good Artist yourself too...!!!
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: hehehe seems to be an elf orc theme this year... *as she works away on her own!*
2005-12-12 [Cloudwatcher]: mines a fairy!
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: sorry fae.... elfs fairy...
2005-12-12 [Ikko]: does that drawing go with the theme Kristen?
2005-12-12 [Ikko]: What kinds of presents would fantasy races give to each other?
2005-12-12 [Cloudwatcher]: ha! i just noticed there was a theme....>_> *hits self* should i take it out?
2005-12-12 [Ikko]: yeah before the host does XD
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: unless you want the faery to be a present deliveried to the north pole for Santa... maybe she is a gift for the elfs...
2005-12-12 [Dr.Mandarian]: Some of the drawings do not strictly follow the theme, I think. But your fairy is still lovely, Kristen, and really a pleasure to look at! Maybe you can add some little creature, giving something to her, in front? ( Just a suggestion )
2005-12-12 [Ikko]: yeah!
2005-12-12 [Elisha Kelly]: It is all about gift giving :P Please if mine does not fit the theme let me know before it is axed :D
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: why yours has a gift....
2005-12-12 [Elisha Kelly]: yeah... but are human's considered a fantasy race?
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: Well a lot of people have done humans so i dunno
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: You could say its an elf hand
2005-12-12 [Elisha Kelly]: yeah... I could :P
2005-12-12 [Dr.Mandarian]: I do think humans are a fantasy race, people. It relates to the choices you can make if you come to elftown, I think. So... I even think you could draw a DUCK in your picture - If you only wanted. ( Yes, hell, something like a DUCK is missing here as yet! ) :P
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: yes humans are a fantasy race... other wise what the hell are any of us doing in ET.. there wont be an ET..
2005-12-12 [Elisha Kelly]: hee hee, goodies... but I am always paranoid that I somehow have missed something in the theme... I am just a paranoid person :)
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: Google: Fantasy - This genre is any story of the impossible- a tale that has events happening that could never happen in the natural world
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: Dictionary.com
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: In other words Humans and ducks are NOT fantasy races
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: from Change personal data under catagory Fantasy race personality.. What kind of fantasy race do you think is typical for someone with your personality? Are you like a hairdresser elf or a charming orc? Ducks are greedy, friendly and opportunistic. Dwarves are greedy, sullen and honourable. Elves are moralistic, vain and honourable. Halflings are friendly, opportunistic and merry. Humans have strange goals in their lives and try to be something they aren't. Orcs are opportunistic, aggressive and practical.
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: according to the rest of the world (other than you and maybe hedda) humans are Not a fantasy race
2005-12-12 [Dr.Mandarian]: Yes, I have been really bewildered, when I came to elftown for the very first time - And suddenly had to learn, that ducks are a fantasy race! XP ( Even if I also remember I liked the definition of HUMANS, there... ) Still I really suppose, this wiki follows just this conception Moira meant.
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: No offense but if humans aren't a fantasy race then lots of fantasy authors need to rewrite their books! So Cattie-Brie and Drizzt can be in the same book then, right?
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: do you have any idea who hedda is? he is the guy who made this lovely world you are complain in.. sorry but you have no right to tell him what counts as fantasy if you are playing in his fantasy world!
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: Humans may appear in fantasy book that does NOT mean that humans are a fantasy race
2005-12-12 [Master Fio]: I do know who Hedda is thank you very much. and as a human i DO have the right to say whatever i like. Ever heard of freedom of speech???
2005-12-12 [Dr.Mandarian]: Please let's stay with the subject we were talking about, people. Maybe humans are not strictly a Fantasy race - But the 'riders of Rohan' for example then again would, or not? You can have different opinions about that - and what a 'Fantasy race' literally is. But this is really no reason to fight.
2005-12-12 [Leara]: Yes, don't fight on an official wiki, leave it clear for questions about the contest instead of immature name calling please.
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: *sigh* I'll remove my entry since there is a human involved. Good luck to everyone!=D
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: why did you do that!? Elvandia your entery was prefectly fine by the theme! and the rules of ET...
2005-12-12 [Dr.Mandarian]: Yes, really! Your picture has been wonderful, Elvandia! It would be a shame, if you would leave it deleted!
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: I have replaced my entry to it's original position. I think humans are valid so end of discussion and let's appreciate the quality of the entries. If the admins and moderators feel as though humans in the pieces are not fitting with the theme then I'm sure they would have removed them.
2005-12-12 [Jitter]: I also believe Humans are valid. Unlike lots of pictures here at least yours fits the theme... Maybe he's a Gondorian ;) (Black hair :p) by the way [Urmando The Elfling] your entry rocks my socks XD
2005-12-12 [moira hawthorne]: the point is vannathal isnt running this contest, and for her to come in and say humans arent alowed when the ultimate owner of the contest and the site says they are is very rude! and stupid!... behaviour!
2005-12-12 [Elegy - gone]: I just want to add a little fact to this discussion from the fantasy series of all times, The Lord of the Rings. Aragorn, our very favourite human, was actually 210 years old at the age of his death. A very peculiar thing if he is supposed to have been a normal human like the ones we see today. No, clearly he is part of the human race of Tolkiens mind, a fantasy race that he invented and made very long lived.
2005-12-12 [Clairey]: If duck isn't a race...how come its on the race list...and there was a badge made for 'best duck' in the best of your race contest?
2005-12-12 [Jitter]: Agreed^^ Although there are certain people we can call fantasy like Gondorians and Rohirimm (I prolly butched that) and as Elvandia's human is kissing an elf he surely isn't your neighbour so I think he's way more than accepted. After all a human is more a race than a unicorn which is more a fantasy kind than race... *hints*
2005-12-12 [Clairey]: ^^ Also agreed.
2005-12-12 [Elegy - gone]: I think, with the exception of vannathal, we all agree =P
2005-12-12 [Urmando The Elfling]: Thanx Jitterbug! BTW, I don't understand this discussion about; if the human race is a fantasy race: This is Elftown..... a website all about FANTASY, then it is'n so hard to accept/imagine that humans are also a fantasy race, richt?
2005-12-12 [Urmando The Elfling]: And tha.... Elvandia, I'm glad that you have putt your entry back, couse it fits the theme and it is a stunning piece of Art Girl!
2005-12-12 [Atayemi]: I think its lovely! :)
2005-12-12 [Clairey]: Me too.
2005-12-12 [Elegy - gone]: Me three!
2005-12-12 [Atayemi]: Heh me four although I already said it was lovely...>.<
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: Lol! Thank you all and I think all the entries are lovely! I just felt like Christmas deserved a tender piece. Urmando, your orc is wonderfully done!=D
2005-12-12 [Jitter]: Yeah because we're full of funny entries! Yours has a different feeling and that's great :D^_^
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: Thank you.=) Where did the last entry go?
2005-12-12 [Jitter]: She prolly took it off when she saw the theme
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: Ah, I didn't really even get to see it.=/
2005-12-12 [Cloudwatcher]: its in my house still :P if anyone cares
2005-12-12 [Charybdis]: Or you can click to see 'previous version' for this wikipage too. I think it's really cute, by the way ^^
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: It is really nice!=D
2005-12-12 [Urmando The Elfling]: Kristen, you Elf is Great!.... And a little suggestion; what if you draw a little Elf at eye level of the bigger Elf, with a innie minnie present?
2005-12-12 [Jitter]: Yeah it is indeed a nice drawing ^_^
2005-12-12 [Urmando The Elfling]: I have not seen an Entry with 2 characters of the same race, yet.....!
2005-12-12 [Jitter]: Yeah but I think is what they'd give to one another.. I don't think an elf would have a prob finding a present for another elf :p
2005-12-12 [Elisha Kelly]: I feel kinda bad that I started this whole is a human part of the fantasy race debate... Sorry guys and gals... but I do have to add something to [Master Fio]... that is that Unicorns are technically not a fantasy race either... they are a fantasy animal... *sidles away, in case another debate ensues*
2005-12-12 [Elisha Kelly]: hmmmm I was speed reading and missed that post... *pulls large cardboard cutout of a Unicorn out of pocket* here an unobvious and unobtrusive place to hide... by the way.... [Forever Equine] have I told you how much I love your picture... (is still jealous :P )
2005-12-12 [Ocean Soul]: Elvandia.. Elysiann.. I was actually thinking you were talking to yourself there oO
2005-12-12 [Forever Equine]: Thank you and thank you also for helping out on the human front.=)
2005-12-13 [Elisha Kelly]: well the human front was probably my fault to begin with... so it wasn't a prob... just me worrying that my pic didn't fit the theme... I am such a worry wort...
2005-12-13 [Forever Equine]: I understand. I was worried too.=/
2005-12-13 [Jitter]: Even if people weren't considered a FR in ET you at least went with the theme contrary to other entries. *eyes fall firstly at first* *cough*
2005-12-13 [Forever Equine]: I noticed that in several but I think the moderators will decide whether to let them know or not.
2005-12-13 [moira hawthorne]: there are quite a few that have nothing to do with one creature giving another creature a gift... that I think it is odd that one persone was picking on art that is definately gift giving!
2005-12-13 [Elisha Kelly]: i don't think anyone was picking on anyone... just disagreeing on what was a fantasy race ::) ooh look I got four eyes :P
2005-12-13 [moira hawthorne]: it is when artist leave that shouldnt... yes we talked her back but thing got out of hand with one person thinking her definations counted more than the owners..
2005-12-13 [Elisha Kelly]: as long as everyone is happy now... I am happy... and if someone isn't happy, well... lets all have icecream :)
2005-12-13 [Forever Equine]: I'll have mint chocolcate chip please! *raises hand*
2005-12-13 [Elisha Kelly]: *dashes off and comes back with a mr whippee van* help yourselves :D
2005-12-13 [Forever Equine]: *chocolate, I hate typos!
2005-12-13 [Forever Equine]: *digs in and makes herself a mint chocolate chip sundae with hot fudge nuts and gummie bears!*
2005-12-13 [moira hawthorne]: PC wildcherry chocolate chunk!
2005-12-13 [Forever Equine]: Sounds yummy!
2005-12-13 [Master Fio]: Ok if everyone considers humans as more of a fantasy race than unicorns I''l delete mine. It's not like I was going to win with everyone against me anyway
2005-12-13 [moira hawthorne]: Elysiann.. no need to feel bad.. its a contest with a theme.. you read the theme make art work that appys to it and entery its the owners of the contest that decide the theme. vannathal first deide to attack others and decide what applied to the them.. as if she was an owner.. if she want to take hers down b/c she thinks we are against her that is her fault. or she wants pity...
2005-12-13 [Elisha Kelly]: yeah... well I am one of those people who like everything to be happy... :P
2005-12-13 [moira hawthorne]: there is an old saying you can plases some of the people some of the time...
2005-12-13 [Zab]: All images not fitting the theme will be removed before the 15:th of december.
2005-12-13 [shotokan_gal]: *sigh* May I remind everyone that whether pictures fit the theme or not is completely up to the contest moderator. If you choose to remove your entry yourself just because of some petty squabbling between people who don't actually have a say in how the contest is being run... well, I find it ridiculous really :/ None of this seems to be in the spirit of how elfown contents should be held. And if we have to remove the comment function on future contests due to people who can't behave, so be it.
2005-12-13 [Elisha Kelly]: sorry.
2005-12-13 [Elisha Kelly]: yeah... well... that was a bit of a disaster... :( I need icecream... (runs off for double choc-chip)
2005-12-13 [Elegy - gone]: thanks, Elysiann ^_^
2005-12-13 [Paz]: I know jitterbug, you just always refer to it when topics of the theme pop up ;P It will be removed if the moderators see fit or the owner comes to delete it themselves
2005-12-13 [moira hawthorne]: Deadline: December 15th ... *pouts* I doubt im gonna gett any of mine finished...2 hrs sleep and drawing all the time.. and still not getting ahead!
2005-12-13 [Zab]: Some entries has been removed for not fitting the theme.
2005-12-13 [Paz]: Took me 7 hours of full time work and no supper to finish mine ;P I'm still going to lose though... never fear you have today, tomorrow and a little bit of the 15th to finish
2005-12-13 [moira hawthorne]: and lots of other art to do aswell ... its never one thing... grumble.. drawing betwwen messages...
2005-12-13 [Paz]: lol, I have art requests to finish in two weeks as well as two chapters of my fanfiction for the fans of it >.< Work for me!! Oh well, I'm spamming now and I apologise, now I must leave because this is no place for random chat
2005-12-13 [Jitter]: huh? Always? o_0 It's the first time I mentioned anything O.O
2005-12-14 [Dr.Mandarian]: Aww, the duck and the halfling smoking - Cute! ^_^
2005-12-14 [Elegy - gone]: Hehe, thank you ^_^
2005-12-14 [Dr.Mandarian]: I HOPED there would also be a duck coming, at last!
2005-12-14 [Tamel]: Good luck to everybody... the pics are all really awsome ^_^ ...
2005-12-14 [Elisha Kelly]: thankyou :) Omg!!!! deadline almost here... hurries people.
2005-12-14 [Jitter]: thanks! *bounces up and down in excitement*
2005-12-14 [Mom]: Thank you...=]
2005-12-14 [Forever Equine]: I wish everyone the best of luck!
2005-12-14 [Jitter]: And I wish everything the best of duck! o_0
2005-12-15 [Forever Equine]: best of duck?
2005-12-15 [Jitter]: Intended pun ;)
2005-12-15 [Forever Equine]: Alrighty.=)
2005-12-16 [Artsieladie]: Does anyone notice that the #'s go: 8, 9, 11, 10, 11....? :P
2005-12-16 [Paz]: They do, i can't change it though XP
2005-12-16 [Artsieladie]: I just noticed it, so I thought that I'd mention it. :P
2005-12-16 [moira hawthorne]: yah well the numbers are also screwed up b/c there are a and b aswell as page 1 ends with 25 but page two begins with 30
2005-12-16 [Paz]: oh, still why are there two 11's XD
2005-12-16 [moira hawthorne]: typo...doesnt matter... when the crew vote on them they renumber them...
2005-12-16 [Charybdis]: Fixed on this page :P Thanks for pointing it out! They changed when entries that didn't fit the theme were removed.
2005-12-16 [Artsieladie]: I figured as much. :P
2005-12-16 [Master Fio]: : ) *hugs everyone*
2005-12-16 [Jitter]: *hugs everyone too*
2005-12-16 [Elisha Kelly]: feel the love *Group hug*
2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: yeey *group hug*
2005-12-16 [Elegy - gone]: Thanks, Elvandia! :D
2005-12-16 [Forever Equine]: No prob!=D *joins in the hugging*
2005-12-16 [Master Fio]: :) I think I started something
2005-12-16 [Elisha Kelly]: muhahahahaha :P
2005-12-18 [Master Fio]: :p
2005-12-18 [nehirwen]: lol..
2005-12-18 [Master Fio]: meow
2005-12-19 [nehirwen]: prrrrrrrr
2005-12-19 [Jitter]: Anyone else disappointed that their image wasn't in the first ten?
2005-12-19 [Tamel]: UH HUH!! T_T
2005-12-19 [Zab]: it was close, for both of you..:S
2005-12-19 [Jitter]: :s
2005-12-19 [Tamel]: still sad! >_< =b
2005-12-19 [Mom]: =|
2005-12-19 [Jitter]: At least I <3 90% of what was selected. I won't say which I don't like though. Don't want to hurt any feelings although I don't know the one who made it!
2005-12-19 [Tamel]: i know which one i am picking.. i thought it would win from the start... but why are all the selected pictures mostly photo manips....
2005-12-19 [Paz]: I didn't make the top either, although it's to be expected since mine wasn't very nice to begin with
2005-12-19 [Atayemi]: Mines just sketched and then edited slightly on GIMP ;P
2005-12-19 [Paz]: I barely had time to colour in mine... so it's horrible either way :| It should be burned and thrown away
2005-12-19 [Tamel]: well it was my first try.. i guess i will try again.
2005-12-19 [Atayemi]: Aww, shush! ;P It depends both on your drawing ability and your knowledge of GIMP and Photoshop if you use them ;P
2005-12-19 [Paz]: My drawing ability died because I've been out of practice so long, and I know PS Elements very well. I used CG Illustrator Deleter though...
2005-12-19 [Atayemi]: Ohh I haven't used that for a while. My uncle had that ;P
2005-12-19 [Paz]: It's confusing, but I'm getting used to it
2005-12-19 [Atayemi]: It is pretty hard to understand isn't it? >_<
2005-12-19 [Paz]: Oh yea, it really hard but I can work somethings so it's not that bad. The only thing I can't do is draw right to the illustrator :S
2005-12-19 [Tamel]: but, i dont want to have to use a photo-manip just to make my work 'more likely to win'
2005-12-19 [shotokan_gal]: [Tamel] - as I said above, I don't think any of the finalists were photomanips (or even if there were any in the contest). If you mean cg-ed art, well that's different, but takes just as much skill as regular mediums (I certainly can't do it).
2005-12-19 [shotokan_gal]: And don't get so hung up on winning or not winning. I'm sure everyone put a lot of effort into there work (I did, and mine didn't make it either) but there have to be final winners, and it can't be everyone - that's the point of a competition. Just try to have fun by entering :)
2005-12-19 [Atayemi]: Thats what I did ;P *claps for everyone* Nice work everyone, you all did great :)
2005-12-19 [dimmu_borgir3212]: where did mine go!?
2005-12-19 [shotokan_gal]: It was removed for not following the theme.
2005-12-19 [dimmu_borgir3212]: they were reindeer how is that not in the theme?
2005-12-19 [shotokan_gal]: If you read the more specific theme on the main page (which was later added to the top of this one), or had payed attention to the comments on this page a little more, you'd know the answer to that.
2005-12-19 [iippo]: The theme was fantasy creatures giving pressies to each others.
2005-12-19 [moira hawthorne]: the theme was gift giving... niot just holiday images...
2005-12-19 [Paz]: The theme is 'What would fantasy races give other fantasy races' yours was just a picture of reindeer, it did not follow the theme
2005-12-19 [dimmu_borgir3212]: nevermind... damn i did not see that. uggg. well i'll try next year.
2005-12-19 [moira hawthorne]: but didnt you submit it last year to this same contest?
2005-12-19 [dimmu_borgir3212]: no i had a diffrent one,
2005-12-20 [Elisha Kelly]: who did a photo manip? mine was a sketch inked and coloured on Gimp... where did the whole photo manip com from?, :( I thought yours would have been a shoe in [Mom], I really liked it.
2005-12-20 [Charybdis]: Photomanipulat
2005-12-20 [moira hawthorne]: fun that... I was thinking O might have done one.. but than I didnt so that was fine..
2005-12-20 [Elisha Kelly]: oh... I think I knw what [Tamel] mean't... the reason I do most of my art on the puter for Elftown competitions is because 1. my paintings are to big to scan... and photos don't give the same quality as a scan... and 2. because my drawings can be messy, so it is better if I ink and colour them, and 3. It is challenging, and easier to fix if you stuff up :). Remeber that most cg art starts out as drawings... but colour really adds a whole new dimension to an artwork... though it still all comes down to design and skill. :P
2006-01-10 [Nicoline]: WOW! those are really good.. Keep up the good work