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hawthorne's WIP CRITIQUE


WIP = work in progress - I need feed back!
will put art up here for artist critiques when I have it to show
Ill always put up the newest update here
so you are encouraged to watch this page



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Tsuki Bound!
it a running gag for years now
about what sort of bait should be used
to draw them to the trap and such





newest WIP stuff!





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Sidekick name: The Bright Idea (muse as sidekick)
Strength: 2 physically 10 mentally
Superpower: Generates Inspiration Motivation and A General Lack of Attention to Common Sense Time or Mundane Obligations
Day Job: Unknown... where she disappears to Unknown
Background: Unknown... maybe created from leftovers at the begining of time itself
Hero She Works For: Alot! she is a real scamp and gets arould to many artists mothers
and anyone else who has ever spoken the words, "Another fine mess You've gotten me into!"
Yup every hero needs someone who gets him into trouble...




I had a great idea for the Valentine Art Competition

too bad I CANT enter it
it be me and Aodh together kissing
me as a photo... in other words real life...
and Aodh as a digital painting...

the theme is Forbidden Love

Forbidden b/c
1... we exist in two separate mediums...
and 2... b/c he is my alter ego...

I CANT enter it b/c...

5. SUBJECT MATTER AND MEDIUM:

Since the winners will be featured on Mainstreet, images that depict graphic violence, pornography or other disturbing actions will not be accepted. Only images that fit the theme will be allowed.

All mediums, except photography (and/or manipulations) and animated GIF's, will be accepted.


I love the idea of real world meets painted world..
me and Aodh meeting... and the reasons why its forbidden...

but ET doesnt

TOO BAD iM GONNA DO IT ANYWAYS...
FOR MYSELF


going to use this painting
of C'serio © Lanisaz [will be replaced by me]
and Aodh & art © moira hawthorne.
here is the photo-reference I used
http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd0155/gay-parade-21.jpg
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this still needs alot of work...
or I may get a better... in proportion photo taken

ok new photo of me... with better proportions to match Aodh
plus the colours are better
and you can see I decided to fade Aodh abit... as if he is more imaginary than real
STILL NEEDS ALOT OF WORK
got to fill in parts of Aodh's body that have/had C'serio
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Im entered in the ET Dark Arts Competition
in the art category ET Dark Arts entries

I reworked a painting of mine... its an old fav... but I never did think it was quite finished... what you think?

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added another skull
im not sure if its done now...
im tempted to add flames but that might be to much ..what you say?
I think I likes!

'Fate's Dark Balance'
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[moira hawthorne]'s wip wikis
hawthorne's WIP CRITIQUE - current WIP wiki
hawthorne's WIP basement - older WIP wiki incomplete art
hawthorne's Recent Art & WIP - older WIP wiki some incomplete some finished art
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hawthorne's snow ice and sun photos - photo refer wip wiki
- need to ask for password if interested... sorry its exported I need this
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hawthorne's BD gift to Gato - my newest wip wiki
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mhss08 wipcritique - finished art with the WIP process
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Fae on Catwhisker WIP wiki - finished art with the WIP process
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coffee painting - finished art with the WIP process
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2005-10-24 [Linn Scarlett]: nasty O.o

2005-10-24 [moira hawthorne]: awwwwww you dont think he is cute?

2005-10-24 [moira hawthorne]: his ears are blushing

2005-10-24 [Linn Scarlett]: hmm pervert :Pq

2005-10-24 [moira hawthorne]: who is the prevert?

2005-10-24 [Linn Scarlett]: you :P

2005-10-24 [moira hawthorne]: me? why for? =D

2005-10-24 [Linn Scarlett]: hmm nothing nevermind :P

2005-10-24 [moira hawthorne]: awwww come on.. why am I a prevert?

2005-10-24 [Estantia]: no idea, how quickly was this done?

2005-10-24 [moira hawthorne]: the pencil drawing anout 5 mins... than I scanned it in to the computer and got carried away colouring it... believe it or not there are about 10 to 15 layers... but i need to draw him in a more interesting pose.. with much more detail... like I said I got carried away colouring playing with filters and what they would do.. Im still teaching myself photoshop...

2005-10-24 [moira hawthorne]: Like his hair the best... and the ball bit

2005-10-24 [Linn Scarlett]: muhuh i like his hairdo too ^_^

2005-10-25 [Heartless_Angel]: what is he getting punished for?

2005-10-25 [moira hawthorne]: I havent figured out his full story... i just got him named... I think he use to be a first boy... of some importance ..but what he did that caused him to be curse to be a drider I dont know... yet... his Mistress now... just likes abusing him.. and bondage gear keeps his from rebeling too... she doesnt want her slave getting ideas... as long as he cant eat or free his arms... she also whips him..

2005-10-25 [Estantia]: that's mean, but here's a bit on contsructive crit, "is there any way you could clean the legs up? some bits are not entriely inside the legs, that is unless it's meant to lok like that..."

2005-10-25 [moira hawthorne]: well its half my style.. and half I got lazy by the time I was drawing his legs... this isnt gonna be the pose I use.. this is a character sketch just to develop him... as a character... I wanted work more on his harness and the reins and gear and such that he pulls the chariot...

2005-10-25 [moira hawthorne]: Im gonna have to get some reference for his legs... how they attach to the hips and where they would be positioned...

2005-10-25 [Linn Scarlett]: i like the way he looks now :p maybe you cvould blindfold him too

2005-10-25 [moira hawthorne]: would you blind fold your horse?

2005-10-25 [Linn Scarlett]: yea

2005-10-25 [Linn Scarlett]: you can steer it

2005-10-25 [moira hawthorne]: I still rather not have a blind horse... he stumble and well a whip is great accentive..

2005-10-26 [Forever Equine]: Most of the time a blind folded horse would be too scared to move but if a whip got after him he might. I'm liking the way it's coming out although where is his forearm?

2005-10-26 [moira hawthorne]: you can lead a blindfolded horse... during a fire its better to blind folf them.. and blinder.. blocking out some side vision is useful to some horses.. for traffic and stuff... or racing... but not for a war horse... his forearms are crossed and tied behind hid back

2005-10-26 [Linn Scarlett]: oh and tied arms are handy? ;P what if he trips

2005-10-26 [moira hawthorne]: he has 8 legs?.. really dont think he needs them.. If he has well behaved he could have use of his arms... but he keeps trying to kill his Mistress...

2005-10-30 [Linn Scarlett]: ohh cool the kelpie ^_^

2005-10-30 [moira hawthorne]: hahah... i had to do one for Samhain!... tho i cant clean it up or finish it before... very busy here...

2005-10-30 [moira hawthorne]: no kidding... I have about a million things to do.. and get dinner!

2005-10-30 [moira hawthorne]: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! candy has attacked my 4 yr old!

2005-11-18 [Lordterrex]: TERREX IS DA SHIT!!!... heh.. hes soo cool...

2005-11-21 [moira hawthorne]: oh that was a gift.. and its finished now so it been move...to my permanent art wiki... I did 3 versions... 2 finish and one incompleat...but he chosse the one he liked and he didnt like the second one .. so I scaped it... .. if you want to see it it is on his home...

2005-11-21 [moira hawthorne]: thx U...

2005-11-22 [Linn Scarlett]: and even worse: chest hair grows where it doesnt belong! its like, the middle between the breast, then the top ish near collar bones towards shoulders and at the bottom of the chest towards nipples. but (usually) not the middle area *hopes that you get what i mean* and it certainly doesnt grow all the way over the stomac X_X only a bitt under breasts then if you get lucky in a straight thin but visible line down ot his ehh parts :P

2005-11-22 [moira hawthorne]: well other then he is furred... he is a nice guy!

2005-11-22 [moira hawthorne]: im trying... I have so many Im suoppose to be doing.. long projects.. than it seems Im always starting a new one.. but most thes quicky projects... just cause its all I have time for... like the new one for Heartless on my house... I did that last night... but I still haveny finish these or ladis...

2005-11-22 [Linn Scarlett]: yea i know. i often sketch and then start a new one :( sides i hardly have time for my social life, let alone my private life

2005-11-22 [moira hawthorne]: need more time and more of me.. 5 would be nice..

2005-11-22 [Linn Scarlett]: i need time in general

2005-11-22 [moira hawthorne]: *pets*... okay let RP some .. too stress relief...

2006-08-25 [Estantia]: I like the Aodh in a tree pic, however something with the scale keeps making me think he's tiny, it might be that the leaves appear too far back or too big for the distance, maybe some other branches iwth some leaves covering would help *no idea*

2006-08-25 [moira hawthorne]: hummmmmm ... yes the background leaves could of been smaller... or some smaller... but its a big ass old tree.. and I have seen maples with leaves bigger than my hands together...

there will be more branches with more leaves before it is finished..

2006-08-25 [Estantia]: that should clear it up then, that's why I wasn't sure on leaf size.

2006-08-25 [moira hawthorne]: he still may end up lookin small tho... dont know.. matter of opinion... maybe blaim it on faery magic.. or big ass old maple tree...

2006-08-26 [Kuehne]: Wow.. the coffee art looks wonderful. Maybe I should try it sometime.

2006-08-26 [moira hawthorne]: yes! try it... I just hope it scans well in the end...

2006-08-27 [Dark Side of the Moon]: Your coffee painting looks awesome!!! I'd like to give that a shot, but I'm afraid I'd drink the paint.

2006-08-27 [moira hawthorne]: hehehehe I used cheep instant coffee... so there was much of a pull to drink it... my own coffee is much better!

2006-09-04 [jsun]: Moira your coffee painting is like SO Bad ASS!

2006-09-04 [moira hawthorne]: THX U VERY MUCH... LOTS OF FUN TO DO

2006-09-06 [Sahraminkukka]: Bwee, I bet your room smells nice after placing the coffee painting in it ;)

2006-09-06 [moira hawthorne]: ya smells really great ..taste horrid..

2006-09-07 [jsun]: Your newest WIP is looking really good so far Moira! :)

2006-09-07 [moira hawthorne]: there are a few things that are bothering me tho... like C'serio's neck... since in the reference photo there was fuzzy hair there... and his arm... can you help me ?

2006-09-08 [jsun]: Well, I'm not sure if this matches the photo reference exactly Moira and it's only a subtle change but I think it makes a difference. Let me know if that looks right
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/jsunelftown/eltftownstuff/WIPCA2copy.jpg

2006-09-08 [moira hawthorne]: oooh I dont think it would curve that much... not looking at other profile photos.....

2006-09-09 [jsun]: The new changes you've made have really helped your drawing Moira. You've really managed to work out C'serio's hand and his neck muscles as well. And the "characteristically faery" hand of Aodh looks better too. I also like the way you've fixed his chest/stomach area because it makes him look more "Fit". I still think C'serio's neck needs to come in just a bit more. Afterall, he is leaning into the kiss. Or if that's something you don't wanna do and you're still not happy with it, you could always throw a nice strand of his hair down over that shoulder. :) Good work Moira

2006-09-09 [moira hawthorne]: thx u! I think Im happy with it now... argh I worked on it till 4am last night... tho I started colouring... I like how their nipples look like they are touching (tho they wouldnt be)... now got to dress them...

2006-09-09 [jsun]: lol, good stuff! I'll check them out again tomorrow after I get off my graveyard shift

2006-09-09 [moira hawthorne]: Bill just got off midnights... he got two weeks of afternoons...

2006-09-09 [~Lady Morgana~]: Of course I see it now Moira!!! Awesome, really :D :D :D

2006-09-09 [moira hawthorne]: *happy* would you like to see the colour started?... mostly its the back ground and tinting the lines... I like having a background ground to start with

2006-09-09 [~Lady Morgana~]: Yes that would be awesome! :D

2006-09-09 [~Lady Morgana~]: Yaaay! Pretteh Moira!!! <3

2006-09-09 [moira hawthorne]: I hope its just keeps getting better... running out of time!

2006-09-09 [jsun]: Wow, that's a great background Moira! LOL totally fitting to the occasion! Looking good so far.... chop chop... faster! :)

2006-09-09 [moira hawthorne]: yes I had to give up on the idea of the kitchen baking a cake disaster... as i would never have time for bowls and spoons and all kinds of stuff.. cover in batter.. icing.. and mess.. and the destroyed cake!

2006-09-10 [jaderii]: Ooo, wow, you made the jeans look so good! It actually looks like the material. o:

2006-09-10 [moira hawthorne]: thx u Ive been working hard to get the texture of jean right... I think this is the best I manage so far...

2006-09-10 [moira hawthorne]: thats it for tonight... one more day to work on it...

2006-09-10 [dayah]: ooooh its looking great moira.

2006-09-10 [moira hawthorne]: thx u... Im done for today...
I had a big steak dinner and cake for my birthday

2006-09-11 [jsun]: Wow, that's coming along very well Moira! And,... additionally, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!

2006-09-11 [moira hawthorne]: thx u ... *huggles*

2006-09-17 [Demon Epona]: It's lookin good!

2006-09-17 [moira hawthorne]: almost done...

2006-09-19 [jaderii]: The completed version is so. . .so. . .! *nosebleeds to death* @w@ Oh my goodness. They look GREAT! No, really, they do! Their skin and textured look of it all is amazing. O: That makes me want to try to do something neat with my little ole tablet. *scribbles with it*

2006-09-19 [moira hawthorne]: its not done yet... that collar took me over 24 hr to do...

2006-09-21 [Demon Epona]: O_O Why is it gone?

2006-09-21 [moira hawthorne]: moved to Aodh of Sabbathnight b/c it is finished...

2006-09-22 [dayah]: well its not up here anymore...but I love the finished picture of aodh and the other one...:)

2006-09-22 [moira hawthorne]: Aodh and C'serio? is moved to Aodh of Sabbathnight b/c it is finished...

2006-09-26 [Trist]: subject "what have i done"
ok, as far as the drawing itself, i like the 1st better (paper+pencil) its just better.
you cold make the background dark possibly with another medium and add some red in it also.

2006-09-26 [moira hawthorne]: no red allowed (for the contest...)
I could play with shading the black ground...

2006-09-26 [Cia_mar]: dramatic back lighting!!!

2006-09-26 [moira hawthorne]: thx u ... I think i just use the two as is...

2007-01-01 [dayah]: ooh very cool...likey very muchy

2007-01-01 [moira hawthorne]: thx u ... have to finish Ezra's costume!

2007-01-01 [dayah]: yeah...but I love it so far...very kool

2007-01-01 [moira hawthorne]: I like Ezra's creepy hand up to the bow!
and I so proud of Ezra's face!

2007-01-01 [Nite_Owl]: Oooooh, I'm liking those boots, mmmyes XD And that subtle little domo-kun there was rather amusing hehehe I liked the Kelpie one, and the Medievel one too....actually I rather liked them all :D *huggles for moira* (^,^)

2007-01-01 [moira hawthorne]: hehehe cool boots! EVERYONE loves the booots... hehehe domo-kun is from our RP... its his key chain... but not to the chain around their wrist.. to their shaggin rockin wagon..

the others are older... but thx u...
this is also one of my WIP grave yards...

2007-01-03 [dayah]: oooh very hot...love how its comming moira....very nice. ;)

2007-01-03 [moira hawthorne]: thx u thx u...

playing today with some photo manips... just fun stuff...

2007-01-03 [moira hawthorne]: traditional christmas,... slicing the turkey!

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2007-01-03 [dayah]: kool kool...haven't done much art lately and I need to get back to writing my story..sigh...

2007-01-03 [moira hawthorne]: yes girl...

2007-01-03 [dayah]: hahah thats sooo funny...:P

2007-01-03 [Demon Epona]: O.O Oh my...

2007-01-05 [Leon Silver]: nice pics you do worry me some times

2007-01-05 [moira hawthorne]: who what where why?
I need sleep...
beware of flying dead frogs!

2007-01-05 [Demon Epona]: Flying bloody dead frogs?

2007-01-05 [moira hawthorne]: well it was sortta dry and crunchy.. not bloody

2007-01-05 [dayah]: like how your picture is comming along looking great.

2007-01-05 [moira hawthorne]: thx u... Im workin on Ezra's skin now..

2007-01-05 [moira hawthorne]: any critique?

2007-01-05 [dayah]: I am never good with critique myself...and I am not sure what all you haven't finished yet...if you were finished with Aodh boots I would say some shading...but thats All I could really say...:D

2007-01-05 [moira hawthorne]: Aodh is basically done.. tho im not sure if his skin need more... some bluey shadow and whiter highlights and his flames

the boots are suppose to be vinyl and weird and shiney..

needs a background ofcourse...

and Ezra coloured...

2007-01-19 [~Lady Morgana~]: Cool Moira :D :D :D

2007-03-07 [Lord Dog]: Actually the border of free space doesn't look like it takes away from it at all Maybe increase the size of his face, and have the garland(for lack of a better word start above and below his ears like the tips interupt it and increase the moons

2007-03-07 [moira hawthorne]: I dont know what you mean... sorry and the problem with resizing any parts of it.. is the multible graduate tone of colour that is the b/g

2007-03-07 [Remos Page]: you need some thing new moira ?
that does not have that same face in it lol

2007-03-07 [moira hawthorne]: im tryingh to take the art I like and change the damn proportions and it isnt working well!

2007-03-07 [Remos Page]: <img:stuff/mood14-gif.gif> (ok then) run to the back of the room lol

2007-03-07 [Lord Dog]: what I meant was see how you have his face elongated on the top one? Just widen it so that the ears almost touch the sides

2007-03-07 [moira hawthorne]: I think I am going to... ... basically instead of stretching the whole thing and warping it to an elongted shape .. Im gonna break the elements up... and size them individually to fix as best as possible... but .. the reason why I didnt want to do that was the varigated b/g.. so I'll have to clear it out and make it again

2007-04-24 [dfreetolove]: I love it

2007-04-24 [moira hawthorne]: which... it???

2008-02-13 [moira hawthorne]: new art up ~ any one want to pick this apart?

2008-02-14 [Cia_mar]: i like the leaves... but i think that the large one on teh left needs downsizing... it competes too much with the fay for drawing your eye

2008-02-14 [moira hawthorne]: cant be smaller... its in front of her...
Im trying to make it like the one on the right... but its closer so sortta abit more detail... like all the leaves fade as them get more distance

2008-02-14 [moira hawthorne]: need to make it less 3D... looks too thick now...

2008-02-14 [moira hawthorne]: ok I think it is finished now... anyone have any other opinion?

2008-02-14 [Lord Dog]: Was thinking you could make it curled or something to show more movement but nt really necessary

2008-02-14 [moira hawthorne]: ooooooh that would of been good... I was using the photoshop leaf brush as a template... they dont curl... damn now it looks all flat to me!... but not enough time to start drawing leaves from scratch!

2008-02-27 [Lord Dog]: Looks better both the leg and the arm...

2008-02-27 [moira hawthorne]: i need to go to bed now... but other than curling the leaves... which im thinking of doing now that I have time... is there anything else?

2009-01-20 [Rebulous]: Yes, enter it in the Dark Arts competition. Most definitely. I think your intuition is right on the flames - it might be too much.

2009-01-20 [moira hawthorne]: wait wait... im just about to upload them now... tell me what you think when you see them

2009-01-20 [jaraden]: i SURE as hell likes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this painting looks WICKED!!!!!!!!!

gapes in awe!!!!

and get's wood.. har har, just kidding!

2009-01-20 [LynnAnneBrown]: The flames worked out really well, I like

2009-01-20 [Rebulous]: OK, I stand corrected. The flames do look good. Looks almost like something out of a DOOM video game. Definitely dark.

2009-01-20 [moira hawthorne]: ok I think its a go than... thx for all your approval... Ill put this one in the competition wiki ...wish me luck! there some awesome pieces in there already... [dayah]'s and [Pnelma Tirian]'s both are awesome!

2009-01-20 [Rebulous]: Yeah, maybe, but so is yours!

2009-01-20 [Rebulous]: You know, I really like this piece the more I look at it. Do you mind if I grab it for my wallpaper? :-)

2009-01-20 [moira hawthorne]: on your home computer? sure... but you start sellin it i want my cut!

2009-01-20 [Rebulous]: Yes, for my home computer! And thanks! And if I start selling it, you bet you'll get your cut! Cheers!

2009-01-20 [moira hawthorne]: you can be my UK agent... you are allowed a generious 30% profit... i want the rest!

2009-01-20 [Rebulous]: It's a deal!

2009-01-20 [moira hawthorne]: *shake* and this will be considered a legal written contract... considering we have atleast 6 other witnesses...

2009-01-23 [jaraden]: witnesses??? i saw nothing... i know nothing of where the skeletons are barried... i swear!!!

2009-01-23 [LynnAnneBrown]: They're in the back of the closet, somewhere between the out of season clothes and all those boxes you have to keep until the warranty expires on all those electronic toys. LOL

2009-01-23 [moira hawthorne]: Im a celt... I proudly display my skeletons... I pet their skulls... and give their thigh bones to my hubby to use as drum sticks! mahahahahaha

2009-01-23 [LynnAnneBrown]: And so comes the inspiration for marching drums,
Da, Da, De Dum, Da, De Dum, De Dum, De Dum
;)

2009-01-23 [moira hawthorne]: the drum has always been used to intimate your enemys!
such ancient drums like the Bodhrán http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhr%C3%A1n

2009-01-23 [Rebulous]: I picked one of those up when I was in Cork, Ireland a number of years ago. It is on display in my living room.

2009-01-23 [LynnAnneBrown]: I had one for years, but it got so damaged in one of my moves that it was beyond repair.

2009-01-23 [moira hawthorne]: I had one too... it wandered away... likely a friend took it
plus Ive had alots of other friends who have them...
I want Bill to play one aswell... add one to his drum collection

2009-01-27 [jaraden]: ahhh yes.. good old war drums...

the best are those steched with the skins of our enemies.. MWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!
i'm crap at all things musical, or intimidating for that matter.. but i think it'd be sweet to own a wicked cool drum.. but then, i'm more of a mask man myself...

ho-hum!

2009-01-27 [moira hawthorne]: in the pagan community its almost like its mandatory you play drums... but I keep saying ... if we all do who will be dancing!?!

2009-01-28 [LynnAnneBrown]: Those of us who keep on dancing even after the drums has fallen stilent ;)

2009-01-29 [LynnAnneBrown]: I love your forbidden love concept. Yes it is unfortunate that ET does not recognixe the mixed media format of intergrating photo and painting as a form of it's own. It is not really a photograph or even a photo manip considering that the work will include an equal or greater number of element that are not derived from a photographic source. Since you are going to create the image anyway, I would consider entering it with anyway, with a brief explanation as to why it should be considered outside of typlcal photography or photo manip and see how they respond when they can actually see what you are trying to describe put into action.

2009-01-29 [moira hawthorne]: I DONT KNOW I DONT HAVE VERY GOOD LUCK WITH THE COUNCIL...
ANYTIME I SAY ANYTHING IT SEEMS THEIR ONLY REACTION IS... 'THERE IS MOIRA AGAIN MAKIN DRAMA'

sorry caplock

2009-01-29 [Rebulous]: I didn't realise photo/art combos were disregarded here. :-(

Enter it anyway. Rebellion can bring about change. If you are rejected or the council accuses you of "drama" again, you won't be alone. Raven will be right behind you! :-D (me too, btw).

2009-01-29 [moira hawthorne]: nah Im not interested in causing a rebellion... Ive tried before and all its done is get me sick

Aodh got kicked out of the faery contest... for not being a tyipical faery... EVEN WHEN I WAS FOLLOWING THE RULES!!!

2009-01-30 [jaraden]: i supose that's politics for you, it seems to find it's way into the very cracks of everything i suppose.

my sugestion is to keep your head down moira, that's what i do...

and on that note, i love the image your working on!!! the poses are lovely and even though it's sickeningly sweet i love the edgyness of your lines and the colours you've used!! lovin it kid!!

2009-01-30 [moira hawthorne]: yah...
wherever 3 or more of you gather ...there also shall I be - politics

matching a photo to a painting is harder than it looks/I first thought
and my photographer/hubby went to bed at 8pm last night... before our son even

2009-01-30 [jaraden]: i hear that kid, i was exausted last night, must be catching...

i would even know how to go about melding an image to a photo, but you pulled it off brilliantly!!! great refference and even better finished product kid!!!!!!!!!

2009-01-30 [moira hawthorne]: Ive been exhausted all week... BEEN SICK WITH A CHEST COLD
I suppose it would easier if I just painted a new painting to match the photo... instead of trying to match the photo to the painting.... but Im stubborn and I got this idea stuck in my head

2009-01-30 [jaraden]: there's nothing wrong with that kid, still looks wicked! and it seems everyone is coming down with something or another these days.. must've missed me though... is still fighting fit, if unused.. har har

2009-01-30 [moira hawthorne]: I got to take some new photos... and match the poses proportionally better... so my hands arent pass Aodh's back... and his butt is down with mine...

I have an immune system a fly could beat to a pulp...

and Ive been havin the weirdest dreams!

2009-01-30 [jaraden]: dreams huh, that's catching aswell, been hearing quite afew people have been having odd dreams of late... as have i... very strange..

but as per your picture, good luck with the repositioning, and sorting out the proportions.. that should be interesting and a task and a half.. i personally wouldn't know where to start... but then, i ain't very clever these days when it comes to computers...

sighs..

2009-01-30 [Rebulous]: Yeah, keep at it. You'll get it. Although you're having some alignment issues which shouldn't take much to work out, you're skill at inserting the drawing is pretty good. But if you can get the drawing to appear *between* your arms, you'll have my undying admiration!

As for keeping your head down, I suppose that's the best tactic. But then, I'm one for not keeping my head down. Which is why I always get in trouble at work (can you say "passed over for promotion again"?). I guess it's the difference between being ruled by your heart vs your head (witness my meltdown on Sunday and a disappearing House act...)

2009-01-30 [moira hawthorne]: me tooo me too... tho I tend to be the who jumps to the defence of my friends... any battle the seems to be waging I seem to be out in front... I be the guy charging forward about 20 yards in front of the front lines... and more often than not Im the guy who find themself without back up when the firing starts

2009-01-30 [jaraden]: awww, well i'll back you up kiddo!! back you up with my flaming gatling-gun and samuri sword!!!!!

*SCREAMS war cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

2009-01-30 [moira hawthorne]: hehehehe... ok... but no war needed here... if the council doesnt want to change the rules of the contest to allow this piece... im not gonna go against them...

I will make it and display it for my friends tho

I dont really care about winning badges anyways

2009-01-30 [jaraden]: *nods*
although i may covet badges like an energetic wench i must agree with you.. if a particulare contest is too strict or doesn't allow what i think is a brilliant image, then it's their loss not yours.. don't let it bother you kid!! we love it!!!!!!!!

2009-01-31 [Rebulous]: OK, you're alignment is getting better. It's looking pretty good. I like that a lot. I think it is quite imaginative and unique. It would be a shame if the ET council didn't recognise that fact and allow it to enter a competition.

2009-01-31 [moira hawthorne]: where do you figure my alignment needs improved?

and no its not gonna be accepted b/c the no photography and/or manipulations rule isnt gonna be changed

2009-01-31 [LynnAnneBrown]: moira's right, I spoke to Artsie, the moderator of the competition, and although she liked the idea, she said that since it was halfway through the contest it would be to late to modify the rules for the contest for this year. She did suggest that a proposal be put forward to the council so that the rules could be ammended for future compitions. Unfortunately that is not going to solve the problem at hand. What I would like to suggest is that we folk who support the the Idea of a Multi Media definition as differing from Photo manipulation get together and try to write that definiton and propose it in the <forum:Elftown contests>. Also I think it would be great if we folk who support the idea would feature moira's finished work as an example of what we mean on our house pages both to support the idea and to give moira's wonderful piece of art the exposure it deserves.

2009-01-31 [moira hawthorne]: the rules for future contest should be changed... but i suggest in this way... to allow ALL of the ET artist's art... what we should be asking is why photo manips are not considered art? the rule should be... all art and stock must be your own... to control the copy paste colleges of DA stock art... where the *beauty and creativity* of the image thats getting praised is really the stock artist's and not the person's who entering the image in the contest here on ET

2009-01-31 [Rebulous]: I think the alignment is just fine now. There are a couple of small tweaks, but only if you feel the effort is worth it (I don't know what effort it takes to make fine adjustments, since I haven't done this sort of thing). Specifically, and this is only my opinion (which just might suck), I feel you could tilt your head down slightly, and your left arm could come just an inch or so closer in. Again, just my open onion.

Regarding the competition rules, I'm beginning to sense that ET might suffer a little from elitism. Or is that clique-ism? Certain power-that-be don't do a particular type of art, so it ain't considered art. Some museums seem to be run that way. And government grants. Again, just my open onion. YMMV. I'll crawl back under my rock now.

2009-01-31 [LynnAnneBrown]: Agreed. This discussion alone has made me realize that It would be difficult for any one person alone to come up with a definition and develop the criteria for jurying the work. So too this end I have just created a wiki, Photo Manips as Fine Art~A Definition so that those who are interested can have a place to work out the details and can be used as foundation for a proposal to council for having it included as a medium in the "Art" competitions. I would also like to figure out a way to get the word out about the wiki, so that we can get as many contributers and supporters as possible.

2009-01-31 [moira hawthorne]: [LynnAnneBrown] once you get a basic layout... and the general idea out... there is a way to invite everyone to the wiki... its a new feature... so ask Artsie... or someone else

[Rebulous] the only way to edit/adjust MY pose... is to take dozens of photos and see which slight hand or face shift works better... but since Im posing to empty space the minute adjustments needed are really hard to judge

I can manip Aodh to an certain extend without distorting him... and I will edit paint him to make adjustments as well

BUT due to the difficulty of my photo pose... and also the theme that we ARENT actually in the same universe so to speak... I thought a little moment before the actual KISS... not quite touching/mis-alignment... worked well

2009-01-31 [LynnAnneBrown]: I agree, you have managed to capture that brush of air, just before the kiss quite nicely.

2009-01-31 [moira hawthorne]: what does everyone think of faded Aodh? as if he really doesnt exist in the real world?

if he wasnt faded I could adjust my left hand easier... b/c you wouldnt see the photo behind him and I could adjust the arm there

I dont know if I can get the kiss itself better from my part... its really hit and miss... matchin mouths

2009-01-31 [Rebulous]: OK, I didn't fully realise the effect you were going for, the different universe angle. I seem to misunderstand your intent a lot. Given these parameters, the image works pretty well.

2009-01-31 [moira hawthorne]: yes the idea of Forbidden Love... is b/c I am of the real world... and he isnt... he is my muse and subject of of my art.. he exists in my art... my head... and heart.. but is not tangible... so while I was trying to pull off a kiss with him... my small errors in proportioning and alignment are helpful to that objective...

2009-01-31 [moira hawthorne]: SOOOOO... what does everyone think of faded Aodh? as if he really doesnt exist in the real world? should I keep him faded... or just painterly?

2009-02-02 [Lord Dog]: I think you should have kept him solid...I also have other ideas but all in all I like the image either way

2009-02-02 [moira hawthorne]: what are your other ideas?.. speak up... I may do them... it all depends... this is quite hard.. and I still havent finished gato's

2009-02-02 [LynnAnneBrown]: I like the solid Aodh, what I was thinking would be interesting is if you did a painted background behind your figure and left the photographic background behind the Aodh figure.

2009-02-02 [moira hawthorne]: that would be interestin... maybe make it a woods... or if if anyone has a different suggestion...

2009-02-02 [LynnAnneBrown]: I like the woods idea, The outdoor setting would make a nice contrast to the indoor of the photo background. Another element of the "Never the twain shall meet" theme of the ArtWork.

2009-02-03 [Lord Dog]: What's Aodh's house like? I would put that behind Moira

2009-02-03 [moira hawthorne]: that's a GOOOOOOOD question... hummm he is a musician... he has a studio loft usually when he isnt tourin on a bus

2009-04-11 [Elfie_Lauren]: Lawl I wish I knew how to do that with my photos!!! Thats so cool xD Anyways how did you do that Moira???? The part where you take the other guy and added him into your photo???

2009-04-11 [moira hawthorne]: well the EASY way would be just to paint him in.. in photoshop or another art program


but i did it the hard way... starting with a painting of him/Aodh i already had made

than i had to remove the other guy and the back ground... and somehow i had to pose to match his position... it was alot of work!!!

2009-05-09 [jaraden]: well it turned out REALLY well moira!! loves it!!!!!

2009-05-09 [moira hawthorne]: you like the new one?

2009-05-14 [jaraden]: heck yeah i do!! did you paint both digitally moira?? if so you ROCK!

2009-05-14 [moira hawthorne]: The Bright Idea is all digital... no reference... just drew it off the top of my head... in about... well a few hours... time is sortta meaningless when Im doing art

2009-05-15 [jaraden]: too true, i know exactly what you mean kiddo!

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